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Not really since that only tells us that UI Goku is stronger, not that everything else was weaker. Especially since it was stated by U11 god that Toppo was no different than a God of Destruction and the only thing Beerus said was that Toppo needed time to charge Haki, which isn't an indication of s...

At least this confirm that omen Goku, Vegeta, Kefla etc are weaker, people like it or no. Not really since that only tells us that UI Goku is stronger, not that everything else was weaker. Especially since it was stated by U11 god that Toppo was no different than a God of Destruction and the only t...

At least this confirm that omen Goku, Vegeta, Kefla etc are weaker, people like it or no.

When Whis will confirm what Beerus said, the fanfiction here will soon stop.

That’s actually a good idea. If super ever comes back, let vegeta attain MUI fighting beerus while training, and then beerus would have wished he never met Saiyans :lol: Except that Beerus can attain MUI as well and he has already ultra instinct (incomplete) :? No god of destruction has MUI and say...

I guess Vegeta's the rival Beerus was looking for, because Goku would crush him with no difficulty now. That’s actually a good idea. If super ever comes back, let vegeta attain MUI fighting beerus while training, and then beerus would have wished he never met Saiyans :lol: Except that Beerus can at...

Xeogran wrote:

Legion wrote:Gods>Vegeta

I would change this. Vegeta surpassing GoD Toppo pretty much puts him on par with GoDs. With some motivation he could definitely win a 1v1 fight now.

I believe that Toppo and Vegeta are both low God tier. They are stronger than the weakest Gods, probably.

I think that some people here should learn the definition of "worthless" or "fodder".

Anyway, episode 129 is clear imo, unless some stupid plot twist by Toei

Angels>MUI Goku>Jiren>Gods>Vegeta>the rest

Bullza wrote:So ideally it should go like this right

Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku > Jiren (up till now) > Ultra Instinct Goku > Super Saiyan Blue Evolution Vegeta > Any God of Destruction

Only MUI Goku and Jiren are stronger than the Gods.

This is where they got their impression from. How could you possibly deny these statements? And there is NO evidence to the contrary! None, nope, zero. There are only fans assuming that because he’s a newbie and needed time charging up his hakai energy at first. That is all. Nothing to do with powe...

I agree. Gods of Destruction are obsolete and irrelevant now. Episode 126 made that quite clear, Beyond Blue Vegeta straight out defeated a God of Destruction in hand to hand combat, and even managed to overpower, nullify, and even DESTROY the DESTRUCTION Energy from Toppo. Vegeta’s own concentrate...

Beerus and the gods are no longer anything truly special power wise now. The ONLY thing that separates them is that they have access to hakai energy I can agree that it would be a different story in an actual fight with Beerus actually using hakai against Goku and trying to kill Goku.... But them j...

Beerus and the gods are no longer anything truly special power wise now. The ONLY thing that separates them is that they have access to hakai energy I can agree that it would be a different story in an actual fight with Beerus actually using hakai against Goku and trying to kill Goku.... But them j...

I'm 100% sure that Jiren, the Gods, Goku and current Vegeta are>Merged Zamasu. It's a common opinion at this point. Universal Zamasu is different.

It was already stated that Suppressed Jiren was far superior to Infinite Zamasu, no need to state it again. The only statements we should expect are Whis acknowledging that Goku has surpassed him and Beerus saying something along the lines of, "Holy shit, he'd fodderize me in one shot!" T...

''Stronger than Frieza, Cell, and Buu'' seriously? thank you Toei. It's really difficult say if Jiren is>Beerus or universal Zamasu. Z fodder villains are more important :) Only z villains where mentioned. Merged zamasu wasn’t included either despite him being far above him. My prediction is that t...

''Stronger than Frieza, Cell, and Buu'' seriously? thank you Toei. It's really difficult say if Jiren is>Beerus or universal Zamasu. Z fodder villains are more important

DBS 129 Promo - Extended - Extra Scenes https://twitter.com/DB__ZGTKAISUPER/status/967619286205255680 That alone looks better than the last few episodes we've had. I'm the only who finds kinda dull that Goku compares Jiren to Z villains? Come on, he could compare him with Beerus, Freeza and/or Zama...

Vegeta already beat a God of Destruction and he's only comparable to SSB Kaiokenx20. And any variant of Ultra Instinct Goku is superior to that Vegeta. So I don't know how people are seriously claiming that Beerus or any God of Destruction is still relevant to the powerscale. They've been old news ...

129 summary say that only mastered ultra instinct is a power that surpass a God of destruction, so UI Goku is weaker. 17 power is unclear, because Toei nonsense power scaling, but whatever. It never said that only mastered ultra instinct Goku surpassed a God Of Destruction, and either way it would ...