Kanzenshuu

Oh yea, they dislike him so much that they're willing to make him the second biggest character in the entire show. Second only to...the main character. C'mon dude. Vegeta gets jerked off harder than LITERALLY any other character except for the main one. There's no grounds to complain. You should be...

I think this is how the ToP will be: Episodes 123-124: Dyspo is the main focus 125-126: Toppo is the main focus(it would be stupid if he goes down in the same episode he shows his full power). 127-130: Mastered UI Goku vs Full Power Jiren, the moment Takahashi pops out again that would mean the fig...

Lord Beerus wrote:I'm going to take the smart option and not invest anything into what varying "spoilers" are implying may or may not happen and just watch the episode and make a judgement from that.

Pretty much what I've been doing.

I want something more like an FT Saga handling of the characters. Goku didn't get too much screen time like he does in the ToP, but it's not like the others were largely reliant on him there as opposed to the stale formula of the Z Sagas with them usually doing nothing of note and needing to stall f...

I think they could pull off a Vegeta centered saga. The thing is, the series clearly isn't about Vegeta so he likely won't ever be the one to finish a saga off. With that said, that doesn't mean it wouldn't make sense to have Vegeta finish one off.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly. Id say he isnt until otherwise. He forced goku into blue to counter him. Yet wasn't worthy to force Goku to waste any stamina on him. :lol: I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue const...

Miracles wrote:

Totamo wrote:Guys, dyspo isn't weak.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

He didn't even fight Goku that long lol. He beat up Hit for half an episode a guy who is SSB level and was blitzing SSG Goku the entire time they were even having their short fight.

Gohan's fighting style has always been boring imo, and this arc plot is just badly handled,we don't even have an idea about the character of final antagonist.Is he a good guy or an ass hole? His fighting style boring or not, he is still the more interesting character in this arc to me as he actuall...

Is anyone starting to think that now that we have these spoilers, that by jiren being superior to a god of destruction, that they actually meant above that domain of power, cause holy shit. If toppo turns out to have been hidding power on the levels of the gods of destruction, and he said that anyo...

It's inexcusable. It will come off as pandering to the Vegeta fans if there isn't a good explanation, because so far it's terrible writing. You cannot have a supporting character perform better than the main character who just got a shiny new transformation. Vegeta is also a main character, and bes...

sintzu wrote:

Jigurashi wrote:I don't see him getting UI this saga, but I wouldn't have an issue with it.

Probably not but what about the new movie ? they can have their new transformation to promote without having to come up with a completely new one.

That's true.

Honestly,if vegeta kept up with just because why not or rage boost it will be biggest ass pull after genkidama sword. I don't see UI so it's either an ass pull or Jiren just wants to see how much he can do before kicking him out. He might also just start out with low energy thinking Vegeta isn't th...

Obviously. But thats where i believe Goku's "Draw forth power beyond your limits" line fit in. Its the absolute best of Vegeta. But still doesnt get the job done because the Power gap is so big. Yup, that makes the most sense in the grand scheme of things.. See? You get it. Its a Red Herr...

If goku had a "better feat " in the trunks arc then doesn't the NEP clearly show Vegeta with a much "better feat" than anything Goku did before Ultra Instinct? If i am not mistaken, Jiren hit Goku using kaioken x20 so fast he couldn't even see it coming and goku didn't even get ...

My thing is, people are basing too much on a visual display from a 30 second preview no less. Visually, Vegeta seems to be doing well enough given the circumstances, but people were saying the same things when the 111 preview showed Hit tagging Jiren where his heart is. Regardless, I definitely see ...

Lord Beerus wrote:

Jiren is a God-tier shit stirrer and trash talker.

I like asshole Jiren in the anime lol. U11 in general seem really good with the trash talking/one-liners/burns.

Not before making Jiren semi-serious against SSJB Goku. Goku's Kamehameha made Jiren flinch before dodging the attack, meaning it could've caused some damage. Funny, i only saw jiren go semi-serious against a UI goku, and tanked an energy blast like nothing from him. So jiren flinching against a ss...

Glad Vegeta will be given a respectable performance.

109 legit might be the lowest point of Vegeta this saga imo. It's really saddening that his most memorable moment is him refusing to give energy to the Genki Dama imo. It stuck out to me for the wrong reasons. It was just an incredible low point for the character.

The manga gave Vegeta a good performance against Black the first time around but it was a terrible way of handling the threat level of an antagonist. Black was the big antagonist until the true main antagonist (M-Zamasu) appeared, and having him just get shitted on in his first fight with a top tier...