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TheGmGoken wrote:H...how?

They win more than they lose (or are more powerful than their friends and comrades)...? It was nice to see Trunks beating Goten and playing with people's expectations.

What? No they're not. Then why was he given a battle power of almost 10,000, To imply that his battle power has been increasing and that he's become quite powerful, even though he's still just a low-class (which is confirmed again on that very scene). a squad that themselves could easily slaughter ...

TheGmGoken wrote:The Son family has been beaten before.....

I know, but those are the exceptions...

he was clearly depicted as a good deal stronger than average, and definitely not just a regular Joe Average saiyan/Freeza thug, Saiyans (low-class or not) are by default potentially stronger than a "regular Joe" of Freeza's forces, but Bardock was never depicted as anything more than a lo...

dbboxkaifan wrote:This isn't happening but I wish Toei would've thought of it.

Thought of contradicting the manga? Thanks, but no thanks...

Personally, I thought it was a nice change of pace to see a Son being defeated.

Kaboom wrote:Then he got the psychic powers.

More like psychic curse. The 'power' did nothing for him, and was never meant to. The Kanassan only gave it to him as a form of torture so that he could see the inevitable demise of his race.

Edward Newgate wrote:I believe it's called "Terrible Character Syndrome". TCS for short.

I'd say the whole movie is terrible. The weak premise is what stands out the most: Broly (aka, Mary Sue) holding a mindless grudge against Goku just because he cried as a baby?!

VegettoEX wrote:For what it's worth, and it needs severe updating in light of Dragon Ball Minus, we have an incredibly-detailed history of Bardock's production right here on the website.

I've been meaning to ask if there was any plan on updating the article, but I understand that you guys may be busy.

UpFromTheSkies wrote:Was he? It seems I've forgotten about it.

Freeza has a flashback of his last stand when he sees Goku for the first time.

UpFromTheSkies wrote:IMO, Episode of Bardock and the TV special became cannon when Toriyama wrote Bardock into the manga with DBM.

Bardock was already in the manga before Minus. And it's canon, not cannon.

Quebaz wrote:The only portion of it that is uncut, is GT ,DB Movies 1-3, Z Movies 1-9 and the GT Special.

The two TV specials were also uncut and dubbed.

Pantalones wrote:and he was still raised on Planet Vegeta

Technically, he wasn't raised at all.

I think you guys nailed the core of the controversy. Toriyama's small involvement in the TV special + good feedback + inclusion of a portion of it (the relevant part) in the manga + continuous praise throughout the years made people, myself included, simply accepted it as part of the story. This doe...

AjayLikesGaming wrote:Oh I do agree, don't get me wrong. It was just that it seemed misplaced given the debate that between me and dbboxkaifan was about recognising interactive drama as a viable form of gameplay and should be recognised as such.

I agree. The mere term 'interactive' (regarding a game) implies gameplay.

...you think Budokai 3 is better than Journey? Apples and oranges... Yes but if you actually read what's been discussed so far, you'll see that wasn't the root of the issue. It wasn't? By your previous replies, I assumed you would agree with my point. One is not better than the other. People may pr...

AjayLikesGaming wrote:...you think Budokai 3 is better than Journey?

Apples and oranges...

Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't get why people bitch about the filler getting cut out of Kai?

It was always advertised as a filler-less version of the series, so I don't get those who complaint about that either. The editing is a different issue though.

ABED wrote:What is DB Minus?

This.

but I cannot abide with how this special undid Bardock's memorable sacrifice and pandered to the fan-fiction community by making him a Super Saiyan. I would agree with you if his transformation came out of nowhere just for the sake of it (i.e: Trunks and Goten). Fortunately the story justified it w...

Low Tone G wrote:What might that mean for You personally? For me it's highly ambiguous!

Well, there's nothing ambiguous about "he's been dead for quite some time", but of course you can argue if he was killed by Freeza or someone else.

Low Tone G wrote:(only if Toriyama doesn't come with someting like Bardock died against Freeza)

"Bardock has been dead for quite some time, so you probably won't be able to see him in action except in stories of the past."

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