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SSj3 Gotenks >>> SSj4 Goku(Boo Saga) So Gotenks is 10 ssj3 Gokus? 1. No, because Super Saiyan 4 is not a x10 multiplier. I'm tired of proving this. 2. Maybe, actually there are people who have Gotenks being 500 SSj3 Gokus due to the implications in the original manga. That is where you are gravely ...

Perfectionist-Cell wrote:So Piccolo was 50% Android 17 pre merge? Why did he get one shotted then?

Because a 2x gap is more than enough to one-shot(cough cough Recoome vs. Goku and Whis karate-chopping Beerus)? Also, Piccolo was two shotted like Trunks, not one-shotted.

SSj3 Gotenks >>> SSj4 Goku(Boo Saga)

If Piccolo was at less than half power he would be demolished by Goku and if Gohan only had half his ki he'd get killed by Perfect Cell, let alone Super Perfect Cell. All of these are assumptions which are not supported by anything in the manga. They are supported by the guides, SEG states SSJ2 is ...

Obviously it's not meant to be taken literally. Why would Toriyama have Piccolo Daimao say he was using less than half his power against Goku? Why would he have Gohan say that his ki's been cut in half? Eeeh...because Piccolo Daimao was using less than half, and Gohan's ki was cut by half? If Picco...

Plus, both times Piccolo fused with another Namekian his power seemed to increase by well over double, so it seems to me that he lost a lot more than half his power by splitting from Kami. Nothing says fusing with Nail is the same as fusing with Kami(power boost). Even Nail himself implies this. Fu...

All else aside, taking the statement "he diminished by half the genius power with which he was gifted at birth" as literally meaning his BP was divided by two is the sort of, well, literal-mindedness that typically handicaps these discussions. Plus, both times Piccolo fused with another N...

He is talking about the saiyans, not just Nappa. Even if the nameless namek was whole and he defeated Nappa, he would still have to deal with Vegeta, who was 18.000. I don't think the Grand Elder was taking Vegeta into the mix, since Nappa was the one who killed Piccolo, and Piccolo would be a ~7,0...

Gohan is strong enough to make a fool out of Goku in the Cell Games imo. He thought FP Goku was holding back when he saw him battling. I personally have Super Saiyan 2 as a 4x multiplier instead of 2x. It fits better with what's implied in the final scenes imo. But if we were to go with a 2x multipl...

He is talking about the saiyans, not just Nappa. Even if the nameless namek was whole and he defeated Nappa, he would still have to deal with Vegeta, who was 18.000. I don't think the Grand Elder was taking Vegeta into the mix, since Nappa was the one who killed Piccolo, and Piccolo would be a ~7,0...

Chapter: 265 (DBZ 71), P3.4-5 Context: the Great Elder reads Kuririn’s mind and learns of God and Piccolo. Great Elder: “Hmf! He split in two, long ago…after evil entered into him! How foolish… He diminished by half the genius power with which he was gifted at birth! If he had come back together as ...

I say the exact same thing about you.

It literally never says that SSJ4 makes Goku stronger than Oozaru, further have you actually ever read this guide like you claim? It specifically says Baby Oozaru was stronger than SSJ4. Baby Oozaru Super Baby transformed into this form after being bathed with 1,000 times the normal amount of Bruit...

Okay, so my turn now:

It was our very first wish, and it was a funny one

If Super Saiyan 4 is truly simply drawing out hidden power, then it would be weak as hell since Goku's so called "potential" isn't much higher than his SSJ3 so SSJ4 would be basically useless and he would still easily get thrashed by Baby Vegeta. No, it would not. You're again making comp...

Bulma to Vegeta on GT.

My point is the whole "Draws hidden power out to its limits" thing is just meaningless fluff and should be disregarded in favor of hard numbers. Baseless assumption. Your opinion is not higher than what GT Perfect Files tells us. If Super Saiyan 4 is truly simply drawing out hidden power,...

The Daizenshuu says the exact same thing about Super Saiyan 3: "The strongest form of Super Saiya-jin, which draws the hidden power of a Saiya-jin out to its limits. However, due to the large energy consumption of this form, outside of the afterlife one can only stay transformed for a limited ...

It is but considering SSJ4 Goku literally uses the phrase "10x..." it's a pretty darn good one with some actual evidence behind it. He doesn't, unless you're referring to the technique "x10 Kamehameha" used by Goku, which doesn't prove anything considering it is simply a version...

10x is based on the oozaru form.......... Which is still a fan-made assumption because Super Saiyan 4 is implied to be stronger than Golden Great Ape twice in the GT Perfect Files It is but considering SSJ4 Goku literally uses the phrase "10x..." it's a pretty darn good one with some actu...