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by Lionel
Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:39 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How Heroic are the Dragon Team, If They Are?
Replies: 16
Views: 1179

Re: How Heroic are the Dragon Team, If They Are?

Fundamentally I think most of the Z-Warriors are good natured with a predilection towards stymieing evil and defending civilians. Having said that, we've seen various times that they're not above jeopardising the safety and security of those very people for their own personal gratification or becaus...
by Lionel
Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Frieza now stronger than Beerus?
Replies: 74
Views: 8341

Re: Frieza now stronger than Beerus?

I think Beerus is still stronger but the gap has likely decreased enormously. Against even the likes of evolved blue Vegeta we see Beerus exert himself to a degree when reacting to his opponent. It was a one sided fight but one which he didn't appear to have the luxury of treating like it were dismi...
by Lionel
Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:16 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Maybe an explanation for Beerus seemingly being "stronger" by each new arc?
Replies: 9
Views: 1093

Re: Maybe an explanation for Beerus seemingly being "stronger" by each new arc?

https://i.imgur.com/V6HBjiA.png There is this interesting quotation from Beerus in the most recent arc which I can't help but think might have some correlation to Vegeta's own condition when he achieved Ultra Ego. Yes Beerus isn't a Saiyan but he is an otherworldly entity with an unknown wellspring...
by Lionel
Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:56 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: A witch in the world of kaioshin
Replies: 6
Views: 624

Re: A witch in the world of kaioshin

Koitsukai provided an interesting explanation. We're aware that Fortuneteller Baba has unique access to the afterlife and even presides over the commuting of souls from there to the living realm and vice versa. If this witch that the Elder Kaioshin encountered was anything like Baba then it may be ...
by Lionel
Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: do the people of earth think Mr Satan can destroy the world on a whim?
Replies: 6
Views: 650

Re: do the people of earth think Mr Satan can destroy the world on a whim?

Yeah it's bizarre how back in Dragon Ball the public could accept the esoteric chi based abilities of the Turtle, Crane and Mazoku groups which participated in the tournaments. They could accept the existence of the Kamehameha which was known to be a legendary martial arts technique of Roshi himself...
by Lionel
Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:17 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Could Goku learn the shapeshifting technique?
Replies: 5
Views: 1375

Re: Could Goku learn the shapeshifting technique?

Yeah, Puar's shapeshifting abilities are described in the Daizenshuu as well for being more effective than Oolong's. If anything can be transformed into theoretically then Goku could morph into a substance that's fatal to an opponent. Although I don't know how that would work against the likes of Fr...
by Lionel
Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:11 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: On An inherent Level, Does Ki Gain Vigor & Rise In Response To Higher levels Of Ki Being Introduced?
Replies: 8
Views: 1016

Re: On An inherent Level, Does Ki Gain Vigor & Rise In Response To Higher levels Of Ki Being Introduced?

I agree with the others. It's a matter of conceptualising what was previously thought to be inconceivable in the mind of the Z-Warriors. During long periods of relative peace where the fighters are training conventionally you see how they don't appear to benefit much -- Goku and Piccolo between clas...
by Lionel
Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:47 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is Elder Kai's ritual one of the strongest abilities in the franchise?
Replies: 3
Views: 416

Re: Is Elder Kai's ritual one of the strongest abilities in the franchise?

I'd say it was the most impressive of an array of potential releasing abilities. Yes the Choshinsui, Grand Elder ability, and Babidi's spell each released the recipient's power -- particularly in the case of Babidi's they were afforded even greater power stacked onto the release -- but with the Elde...
by Lionel
Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:06 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Why was Gotenks a gamble?
Replies: 7
Views: 876

Re: Why was Gotenks a gamble?

It was a gamble because bad guys inevitably showed up whenever Goku was around, each major villain always being much stronger than the last. Goku might've had confidence that Goten & Trunks' fusion could take on the Fat Boo but historically, bad things would also happen whenever the team got ov...
by Lionel
Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:14 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Highest Potential? Broly, Gohan, or Freeza?
Replies: 10
Views: 4606

Re: Highest Potential? Broly, Gohan, or Freeza?

With respect to quickest growth at a single time it would probably be Broly for reasons expressed by LoganForkHands73 . It's absurd how he skyrocketed from a level that was comparable with the base Saiyans to overwhelming Goku and Vegeta simultaneously as they were using their blue transformations. ...
by Lionel
Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:56 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37485
Views: 3484598

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Shin's power was dismissed from the get go due to its unusability according to Dabura. The reasons for his inclusion within the group that was to be kept alive were personal in nature to Babidi; he wanted to be the one to kill Kaioshin. Yes, exactly. Babidi personally tells Dabura to lay off Shin s...
by Lionel
Sun Aug 28, 2022 9:38 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37485
Views: 3484598

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Let's start from the top. Kaioshin runs into the Saiyans at the tournament and claims inferiority to them immediately. Expected Saiyans > Kaioshin Then Babidi, Dabura, and Kaioshin all seem to agree that Pui Pui appears to be too much for even the group of Saiyans, let alone Kaioshin, a far inferio...
by Lionel
Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:12 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37485
Views: 3484598

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Kaioshin vs Pui Pui Kaioshin is much weaker than people think. He is weaker than Piccolo as well as the Base Saiyans. Shin is a paranoid amateur with a traumatised psyche brought on by Majin Buu. I wouldn't put it past him to suffer from some type of vexiphobia when it comes to Majins. Mind you his...
by Lionel
Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:17 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37485
Views: 3484598

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Base Vegito (Granolah arc) vs SSB Kaioken x20 Goku (ToP arc) SSG Goku (Buu Saga) vs Great Ape Baby Beast Gohan (Cell Games) vs Golden Freeza (ToP arc) Base Vegito (Granolah arc) vs SSB Kaioken x20 Goku (ToP arc) : Since you stipulated how Goku has access to Kaioken but not Vegetto I'm lead to belie...
by Lionel
Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:50 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Can the Frieza Force create Androids?
Replies: 2
Views: 722

Re: Can the Frieza Force create Androids?

Remember that statement Vegeta made to Gohan about the technology of the timepieces humans could make versus their spacefaring aeronautics? I think Freeza's empire is superior to humanity's innovation in terms of shipbuilding, architecture and medical advances. Humans seem to be further along when i...
by Lionel
Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:16 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Could Buu copy Ultra Instinct?
Replies: 3
Views: 788

Re: Could Buu copy Ultra Instinct?

Since UI is a technique rather than a power up, then probably. Although, as seen with Moro, just because UI can be copied doesn't mean that it allows a fighter to master it. Boo would only be able to achieve a novice level of UI(in comparison to Goku or the Angels) just from seeing the technique an...
by Lionel
Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:22 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37485
Views: 3484598

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Kid Granola vs Kid Raditz (I guess they should be about the same age) Adult Raditz vs Adult Granola (Saiyan arc) (Back then, Granny wasn't as strong as he was before this arc, and he wasn't that remarkable either, like Raditz) Kid Granola vs Kid Raditz (I guess they should be about the same age) : ...
by Lionel
Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:08 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37485
Views: 3484598

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Manga Base TOP Goku vs Super Perfect Cell SSJ2 Manga Trunks vs Kid buu Moro 73 Vs Jiren and Broly Buu saga piccolo vs Cell Games Goku Manga Zamasu vs Majin Vegeta SSJ Goku & Gohan Cell Games vs Perfect Cell Manga Base TOP Goku vs Super Perfect Cell : The implication of Goku's better tolerance f...
by Lionel
Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:07 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37485
Views: 3484598

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Super Baby 2 vs DBS Broly (Baby can turn golden ohzaru, Broly can use his ikari form but not SS) Broly would have my wager here as his Ikari state was giving a good fight to blue Goku. Great Ape Baby would be hardpressed to defeat SSJG Goku during his onset in the BOG saga. How much stronger do you...
by Lionel
Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:13 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: RoF Freeza 1,300,000 power level doesn't make sense
Replies: 20
Views: 2668

Re: RoF Freeza 1,300,000 power level doesn't make sense

Yeah, 1.3 million power levels and the Ginyu Force should garner nothing from any of the Z-Warriors there except maybe Roshi who shouldn't be intimidated with his much more powerful teammates around him. By precedent I could understand Freeza's minions being shocked as the Ginyus were top standard c...