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by SupremeKai25
Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3930139

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Should be taken into account that Goku and Beerus don't exist, it was Toriyama who said those words about Broly, through Goku, and Toriyama knew how strong he wanted Beerus to be. Just like he was the one saying, not Vegeta(because he also doesn't exist), that hybrids are stronger than saiyans... s...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Apr 04, 2024 2:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3930139

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

If you think Broly is stronger than Beerus with his max power, then you have to admit that Gohan is the strongest period with his max power. The direct implication of the line said for Gohan is that the condition for him to be the strongest is getting the limelight basically. Statements being retco...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:09 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3930139

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

With all due respect to Beerus, this notion isn’t new. Toei and Toyotaro have already worked with the idea that Beerus was surpassed in ToP arc. And Toriyama as well in the first Super movie, by providing the dialogue implying so. You have to go out of your way to ignore dialogue and other implicat...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:57 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3930139

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Can we finally put to rest this funny notion that anyone on that planet has surpassed Beerus? Or is even close to Beerus' full power? Beerus is one of the most prideful, arrogant, and pompous characters in all of Dragon Ball. Do you seriously think that he would be so relaxed, chill, and laid-back i...
by SupremeKai25
Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: If Zamasu came back
Replies: 50
Views: 3910

Re: If Zamasu came back

If the Makaio/Makaioshin ever get officially introduced( doubtful , being that Toriyama has passed away), Zamasu should be name-dropped by them at least as a callback. It could be explained that Zamasu had become a Makaio in his insanity, and is the reason why he could create endless copies of hims...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:54 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Did the editor veto of 17 and 18 being the arc villains keep her alive
Replies: 13
Views: 1180

Re: Did the editor veto of 17 and 18 being the arc villains keep her alive

Actually, pretty much every Toriyama-original main villain besides Cell and Zamasu survived their own arc in some way. Dragon Ball has more redeemed/surviving main villains than even Naruto Shippuden. :lol: If their backstory was left unchanged, then 17 and 18 would still survive despite being the m...
by SupremeKai25
Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:42 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 267
Views: 15428

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

[/b] The character design was Toriyama's, which was the only thing carring Broly's popularity, because Takao Koyama storytelling surely did not. Actually, what carried Broly was his personality (his edgy/cool one-liners) and his fighting style as a crazy brawler who completely dominated the opposit...
by SupremeKai25
Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:45 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 267
Views: 15428

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

The new Broly is a completely different character from the original Broly. It's perfectly fine to choose one over the other, because of elements you like about either. This doesn't necessarily have to be nostalgia or disgruntledness. There are enough blind Super defenders as well, but in the case o...
by SupremeKai25
Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:28 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 267
Views: 15428

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

Another example is Broly. Plenty of disgruntled and nostalgic fans refuse to accept the New Broly. They will say nonsense like "DBZ Broly will always be the true/only Broly to me." The new Broly is a completely different character from the original Broly. It's perfectly fine to choose one...
by SupremeKai25
Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:32 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3930139

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

In the manga, Black's Rosé seems to function as the equivalent of Blue, but in the anime, it seems like it's just his equivalent of Super Saiyan. You could have argued this already because his base form was already strong enough to contend with SS2 Goku and later even SSB Vegeta, but in Heroes we s...
by SupremeKai25
Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:33 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3930139

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think it will be very interesting to see how Goku will dethrone everyone else. As we know, Goku by the 28th Tournament will be the Most Powerful, the "Number 1", in the Universe. Not Gohan, Not Broly, Not Vegeta, Goku. The strongest and highest potential Saiyan ever. He is the one desti...
by SupremeKai25
Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:38 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 267
Views: 15428

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

Which is something one should question, why would someone not approach this on the basis of "have fun" when this is all that there is to it? Because mostly this discussion was based on complaining about Toriyame, complaining about TOP, complaining about Toriyama's way of writing, complain...
by SupremeKai25
Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:24 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3930139

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think it will be very interesting to see how Goku will dethrone everyone else. As we know, Goku by the 28th Tournament will be the Most Powerful, the "Number 1", in the Universe. Not Gohan, Not Broly, Not Vegeta, Goku. The strongest and highest potential Saiyan ever. He is the one destin...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:39 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Super on its way out?
Replies: 44
Views: 3860

Re: Is Super on its way out?

Just leave it alone. It’s as simple as that. Actually, it's not as "simple" as that. With the Super revelation that Uub/Buu had God ki from absorbing the Dai Kaioshin, it seems obvious that the concept of God ki will be brought up in a conversation with Uub. As was established in the Moro...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:52 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 103 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 110
Views: 11063

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 103 - Official Discussion Thread

What's interesting about Uub/Buu is that they remain relevant only because they absorbed the Dai Kaioshin and his God ki.

It really makes you wonder how powerful and how much potential the Kaioshin truly have.

Hence why I am excited to see more of Kaioshin in Daima.
by SupremeKai25
Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:49 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Super on its way out?
Replies: 44
Views: 3860

Re: Is Super on its way out?

I won't mind seeing a retelling of the 28th Tenkachi Budokai as a way to end the series. Well, part of the reason why this idea of ending it at 28th Tournament is superior, is because that is the original ending Toriyama planned for the story. Super is supposed to be part of Toriyama's original sto...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:19 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball Without Its Creator
Replies: 150
Views: 15928

Re: Dragon Ball Without Its Creator

Not only I want Toei to continue churning out DBS movies, I also want these movies to be part of the DBS timeline. This means, no Post-EoZ stuff, because that is the final boundary Toriyama set for his story. That is the "off-limits" area beyond which you cannot go. Anything before that, i...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:23 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Super on its way out?
Replies: 44
Views: 3860

Re: Is Super on its way out?

I won't mind seeing a retelling of the 28th Tenkachi Budokai as a way to end the series. Well, part of the reason why this idea of ending it at 28th Tournament is superior, is because that is the original ending Toriyama planned for the story. Super is supposed to be part of Toriyama's original sto...
by SupremeKai25
Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Super on its way out?
Replies: 44
Views: 3860

Re: Is Super on its way out?

I certainly hope Super ends with Goku leaving with Uub, as DBZ did. An ending like GT looks good only for the sentimental and emotional AMVs with the sad music, but it does not fit Dragon Ball. The ending of DBZ, which is the ending that Super should respect and revisit, is the perfect ending to Dra...
by SupremeKai25
Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:56 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Super on its way out?
Replies: 44
Views: 3860

Re: Is Super on its way out?

Not to dump on anyone who enjoys the manga, but to be honest it feels like the manga has outlived its purpose. The manga seems more like it's a curiosity to most people that I've interacted with online and people I know personally haven't even read more than a couple chapters if at all. That's actu...