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- Sat Apr 06, 2024 1:51 pm
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
- Replies: 276
- Views: 18722
Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Its just never shown to be that way in the past, where Goku can get impaled and then actually get a power up because of Adrenaline. When Vegeta broke Gokus legs in saiyan arc, his legs were just broken. It didn’t matter how much Goku wanted to save his friends or how much he loved his family, Gokus...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:42 pm
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
- Replies: 276
- Views: 18722
Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Suspension of disbelief is more about whether a story is able to follow the logic and the rules that it set for itself. For example If Goku getting shot through the chest by Zorbet was a life threatening situation then logically speaking, getting impaled by Zamasu should be as well. And in fact, wh...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:27 pm
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
- Replies: 276
- Views: 18722
Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Super has consistent and logical writing. Pretty much everything that happens in Super has a given reason. There are no "inexplicable plot holes" from Super. Even if a development seems completely random or sudden, the story provides some kind of reasoning for it. Also, Yes, it is an impo...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:27 am
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
- Replies: 276
- Views: 18722
Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
What is wrong with "suspension of disbelief"? It's a common device that is required to consume any story. Do you not "suspend your disbelief" when you accept that there are magical flying lizards who can spit fire in Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones? Are you not "suspen...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:32 am
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
- Replies: 276
- Views: 18722
Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
What is wrong with "suspension of disbelief"? It's a common device that is required to consume any story. Do you not "suspend your disbelief" when you accept that there are magical flying lizards who can spit fire in Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones? Are you not "suspend...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:03 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Frieza's role more obvious than it seems
- Replies: 12
- Views: 1510
Re: Frieze's role more obvious than it seems
I'm pretty sure he brought back Frieza simply because he knew that the average Super watcher is a nostalgic 1990s fan who wants to relive the villains of their childhood, which is why he also decided to bring back Broly and Cell. I don't think he had any particular plan for Frieza besides milking th...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:02 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
- Replies: 39975
- Views: 3945857
Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Plus, in the manga, he quite literally saw Beerus fight at full power in a free for all between the other gods. We know he had to have gone all out because the Grand Priest threatened them with death if they were caught not fighting with everything they had. You could argue the threat wasn't seriou...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:40 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
- Replies: 39975
- Views: 3945857
Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Should be taken into account that Goku and Beerus don't exist, it was Toriyama who said those words about Broly, through Goku, and Toriyama knew how strong he wanted Beerus to be. Just like he was the one saying, not Vegeta(because he also doesn't exist), that hybrids are stronger than saiyans... s...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 2:38 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
- Replies: 39975
- Views: 3945857
Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
If you think Broly is stronger than Beerus with his max power, then you have to admit that Gohan is the strongest period with his max power. The direct implication of the line said for Gohan is that the condition for him to be the strongest is getting the limelight basically. Statements being retco...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:09 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
- Replies: 39975
- Views: 3945857
Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
With all due respect to Beerus, this notion isn’t new. Toei and Toyotaro have already worked with the idea that Beerus was surpassed in ToP arc. And Toriyama as well in the first Super movie, by providing the dialogue implying so. You have to go out of your way to ignore dialogue and other implicat...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:57 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
- Replies: 39975
- Views: 3945857
Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Can we finally put to rest this funny notion that anyone on that planet has surpassed Beerus? Or is even close to Beerus' full power? Beerus is one of the most prideful, arrogant, and pompous characters in all of Dragon Ball. Do you seriously think that he would be so relaxed, chill, and laid-back i...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:15 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: If Zamasu came back
- Replies: 50
- Views: 4465
Re: If Zamasu came back
If the Makaio/Makaioshin ever get officially introduced( doubtful , being that Toriyama has passed away), Zamasu should be name-dropped by them at least as a callback. It could be explained that Zamasu had become a Makaio in his insanity, and is the reason why he could create endless copies of hims...
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:54 am
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: Did the editor veto of 17 and 18 being the arc villains keep her alive
- Replies: 13
- Views: 1237
Re: Did the editor veto of 17 and 18 being the arc villains keep her alive
Actually, pretty much every Toriyama-original main villain besides Cell and Zamasu survived their own arc in some way. Dragon Ball has more redeemed/surviving main villains than even Naruto Shippuden. :lol: If their backstory was left unchanged, then 17 and 18 would still survive despite being the m...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:42 pm
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
- Replies: 276
- Views: 18722
Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
[/b] The character design was Toriyama's, which was the only thing carring Broly's popularity, because Takao Koyama storytelling surely did not. Actually, what carried Broly was his personality (his edgy/cool one-liners) and his fighting style as a crazy brawler who completely dominated the opposit...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:45 pm
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
- Replies: 276
- Views: 18722
Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
The new Broly is a completely different character from the original Broly. It's perfectly fine to choose one over the other, because of elements you like about either. This doesn't necessarily have to be nostalgia or disgruntledness. There are enough blind Super defenders as well, but in the case o...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:28 am
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
- Replies: 276
- Views: 18722
Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Another example is Broly. Plenty of disgruntled and nostalgic fans refuse to accept the New Broly. They will say nonsense like "DBZ Broly will always be the true/only Broly to me." The new Broly is a completely different character from the original Broly. It's perfectly fine to choose one...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:32 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
- Replies: 39975
- Views: 3945857
Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
In the manga, Black's Rosé seems to function as the equivalent of Blue, but in the anime, it seems like it's just his equivalent of Super Saiyan. You could have argued this already because his base form was already strong enough to contend with SS2 Goku and later even SSB Vegeta, but in Heroes we s...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:33 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
- Replies: 39975
- Views: 3945857
Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
I think it will be very interesting to see how Goku will dethrone everyone else. As we know, Goku by the 28th Tournament will be the Most Powerful, the "Number 1", in the Universe. Not Gohan, Not Broly, Not Vegeta, Goku. The strongest and highest potential Saiyan ever. He is the one desti...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:38 am
- Forum: General Franchise Discussion
- Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
- Replies: 276
- Views: 18722
Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Which is something one should question, why would someone not approach this on the basis of "have fun" when this is all that there is to it? Because mostly this discussion was based on complaining about Toriyame, complaining about TOP, complaining about Toriyama's way of writing, complain...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:24 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
- Replies: 39975
- Views: 3945857
Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
I think it will be very interesting to see how Goku will dethrone everyone else. As we know, Goku by the 28th Tournament will be the Most Powerful, the "Number 1", in the Universe. Not Gohan, Not Broly, Not Vegeta, Goku. The strongest and highest potential Saiyan ever. He is the one destin...