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Post by HeroR » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:45 pm

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It's kinda funny, SSB Gogeta has darker blue hair like Vegeta's SSBE, and now this "Super Saiyan 4 Evolved" has red hair like SS4 Gogeta.
That’s because the Broly movie used a darker shade of blue compared to the series and even Resurrection ‘F’. Like both Goku and Vegeta have the same shade of blue.
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Post by Majin Demigra » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:02 pm

I've always wondered why Broly has green hair in his version of Golden Ozaru yet he has the same color palette as a regular Ssj4

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Post by Dragotaker » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:05 pm

Really diggin the new aura, personally i hope it stays out of Saiyan God and all of that new stuff, what would be the point of making a big deal out of SS4 being a different path of strength when at the end it comes back to God Ki again?
On the other hand if they were indeed connected could we finally end that whole thing about Trunks SS4 hair color? since he can go SSG already if he then goes SS4 he could go straight to this ''limit breaker'' thing Goku and Vegeta have and stay with the red hair and never worry about SS4 base form like Gogeta who was always super saiyan.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by Dragon Wukong » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:27 pm

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That’s because the Broly movie used a darker shade of blue compared to the series and even Resurrection ‘F’. Like both Goku and Vegeta have the same shade of blue.
That was the case initially, but it's been extended into Xenoverse/FighterZ/Heroes to Gogeta Blue just having a naturally darker shade of hair than Goku/Vegeta/Vegito Blue. It seems to be similar to Broly's green hair originally having been considered due to the lighting in M8, but videogames made it so his hair was actually green.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

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HeroR wrote:
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Dark_Tzitzimine wrote:
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I find funny how SDBH shows that the idea of Japan hating GT is an invention from the western fanbase. They keep bringing elements from it in relevant roles and doing those lovely homages in-game.
And again, people who lived in Japan have said that GT isn’t popular over there. It isn’t ‘hated’, but it’s more or less a forgotten show with the only elements people love being the Super Saiyan 4s and Gogeta.
You say that despite GT being front and center of Heroes for a good amount of its life time, GT getting the spotlight in Dokkan and Legends anniversaries, having a recent rerun in Japanese TV and getting new merch all the time.

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Post by miguelnuva1 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:36 pm

Since Japan is less afraid of nudity could an female Ssj4 have exposed breast with the nipples gone or an exposed chest with no breast period?

Likely they'll get a fur bra similar to what Califula wears.

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Post by MisteryOne » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:16 am

According to Goresh the new Janemba is called "Black Janemba". Not terribly original but I guess it makes sense if it's tecnically a different being from the Janemba of Fusion Reborn.

I wonder if it also has a host? Probably not, but it could be interesting.
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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by Dark_Tzitzimine » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:36 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:36 pm
Since Japan is less afraid of nudity could an female Ssj4 have exposed breast with the nipples gone or an exposed chest with no breast period?

Likely they'll get a fur bra similar to what Califula wears.
DB is still a shounen aimed to kids, so no, no nudity. In fact, that is probably why SSJ4 got the infamous magic pants in the first place since logically, Goku should've gone running around naked every time he turned SSJ4.

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Post by JeffBelmont » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:37 am

Dark_Tzitzimine wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:36 am
miguelnuva1 wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:36 pm
Since Japan is less afraid of nudity could an female Ssj4 have exposed breast with the nipples gone or an exposed chest with no breast period?

Likely they'll get a fur bra similar to what Califula wears.
DB is still a shounen aimed to kids, so no, no nudity. In fact, that is probably why SSJ4 got the infamous magic pants in the first place since logically, Goku should've gone running around naked every time he turned SSJ4.
Dragon Ball was already aimed to kids when scenes like this happened:
But I agree that a female SS4 won't have nudity., specially after DB Super removed even blood.

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Post by Xeno Goku Black » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:41 am

So if this series has the opportunity to be creative and do almost anything they want to really....then why do they make the most uncreative things?

Cooler but he's Gold, Meta Cooler but he's Gold, Bojack again, Turles again, Janemba but now he has some black on him, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta but he has black hair so it's Super Saiyan 4 Vegito now, Broly but now he has a tail and a mask so he's actually Cumber.

How are they gonna hype people up for this Goku and Vegeta new form and just give people the same thing again but they've changed the color of the hair to red in Microsoft Paint?

What are they doing?

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by MisteryOne » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:21 am

Xeno Goku Black wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:41 am
So if this series has the opportunity to be creative and do almost anything they want to really....then why do they make the most uncreative things?

Cooler but he's Gold, Meta Cooler but he's Gold, Bojack again, Turles again, Janemba but now he has some black on him, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta but he has black hair so it's Super Saiyan 4 Vegito now, Broly but now he has a tail and a mask so he's actually Cumber.

How are they gonna hype people up for this Goku and Vegeta new form and just give people the same thing again but they've changed the color of the hair to red in Microsoft Paint?

What are they doing?
I agree with almost everything but...are you seriously complaining about this new power up when SSB, a complete separate form, it's just a recolor? Granted, it wasn't in Toriyama's original design, but still. Vegito also looks nothing like Gogeta on SS4, and Golden Metal Cooler actually has more design changes than just the color. Cumber also looks way more like SS3 Goku than Broly.

So far Big Bang Mission is way less original than previous story arcs tho, that's true. It's just so bizarre to see Turles and Bojack coming back again, on an arc that happens right after another which introduced a good amount of original villains, with just some redesigns. The Gods of Destruction were also used just to create false hype, at least so far. Like Zamasu in the previous arc but actually worse.
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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by Kenneth La Torre » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:25 am

Xeno Goku Black wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:41 am
So if this series has the opportunity to be creative and do almost anything they want to really....then why do they make the most uncreative things?

Cooler but he's Gold, Meta Cooler but he's Gold, Bojack again, Turles again, Janemba but now he has some black on him, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta but he has black hair so it's Super Saiyan 4 Vegito now, Broly but now he has a tail and a mask so he's actually Cumber.

How are they gonna hype people up for this Goku and Vegeta new form and just give people the same thing again but they've changed the color of the hair to red in Microsoft Paint?

What are they doing?
Speak for yourself. I’m for once happy with these new ssj4 and Janemba designs and Hype about them. I don’t want to see different forms, I want to see them improve upon said form, which this ssj4 is.

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Post by Grand Marshal 1 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:41 am

Actually, all things considered, it's kinda early to speak about anything on Big Bang Mission.

This is an entirely new mission, a brand new beginning. The Prison Planet Arc focused on Cumber for multiple missions and the Universe Conflict arc was a direct continuation of the former.

So, with us just getting glimpses of the 3rd official Mission, we can't jump to conclusions on what's going to happen.

And if we have to accept something about Heroes, is the fact that in nearly every new saga some movie villain will be re-introduced.

But that's the cool part imo. Bring everyone in and see what happens.

Finally, fanon and generally fan made ideas are extremely different from the case of Heroes. A what if scenario. Granted new things are introduced, but an ancient saiyan, or a majin controlled Bojack, or someone who wants to overthrow the gods, aren't the same as say Dragon Ball Multiverse.
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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by HeroR » Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:16 am

Dragon Wukong wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:27 pm
HeroR wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:45 pm
That’s because the Broly movie used a darker shade of blue compared to the series and even Resurrection ‘F’. Like both Goku and Vegeta have the same shade of blue.
That was the case initially, but it's been extended into Xenoverse/FighterZ/Heroes to Gogeta Blue just having a naturally darker shade of hair than Goku/Vegeta/Vegito Blue. It seems to be similar to Broly's green hair originally having been considered due to the lighting in M8, but videogames made it so his hair was actually green.
That's because they chose to used the colors of Gogeta based on the movie while the older Blue forms are still using the Resurrection 'F' and anime colors instead of changing Gogeta's blue tone to match Goku and Vegeta and vice versa.
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by Grimlock » Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:34 am

Grand Marshal 1 wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:41 am
A what if scenario.
A possible what-if scenario. That's what Heroes does, yes. And until people understand that, they'll come here complaining they want what you see in fanfics/fanfiction, impossible ideas and stuff.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by HeroR » Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:44 am

Dark_Tzitzimine wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:31 pm
HeroR wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:33 pm
Dark_Tzitzimine wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:18 pm
I find funny how SDBH shows that the idea of Japan hating GT is an invention from the western fanbase. They keep bringing elements from it in relevant roles and doing those lovely homages in-game.
And again, people who lived in Japan have said that GT isn’t popular over there. It isn’t ‘hated’, but it’s more or less a forgotten show with the only elements people love being the Super Saiyan 4s and Gogeta.
You say that despite GT being front and center of Heroes for a good amount of its life time, GT getting the spotlight in Dokkan and Legends anniversaries, having a recent rerun in Japanese TV and getting new merch all the time.
You are forgetting that Heroes also pre-dates 'modern' Dragon Ball by several years. Remember, Dragon Ball Heroes is older than Dragon Ball Kai and Battle of Gods didn't come out until 2013, so the most powerful form at the time was Super Saiyan 4, so that is what gets pushed. Even then, you noticed that they take GT in very broad stroke since Xeno Goku and Vegeta are not GT Goku and Vegeta, especially when Goku at the end of GT flew off on a dragon.

Also knew you would going to mentioned Dokkan and Legends, but let me tell you some stuff, (Warning, long post):
As for the merchandises, most GT merchandises these days are not even labeled 'GT'. They're labeled either Dragon Ball Heroes or Dragon Ball Super. We even had a thread talking about this.
MisteryOne wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:21 am
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:41 am
So if this series has the opportunity to be creative and do almost anything they want to really....then why do they make the most uncreative things?

Cooler but he's Gold, Meta Cooler but he's Gold, Bojack again, Turles again, Janemba but now he has some black on him, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta but he has black hair so it's Super Saiyan 4 Vegito now, Broly but now he has a tail and a mask so he's actually Cumber.

How are they gonna hype people up for this Goku and Vegeta new form and just give people the same thing again but they've changed the color of the hair to red in Microsoft Paint?

What are they doing?
I agree with almost everything but...are you seriously complaining about this new power up when SSB, a complete separate form, it's just a recolor? Granted, it wasn't in Toriyama's original design, but still. Vegito also looks nothing like Gogeta on SS4, and Golden Metal Cooler actually has more design changes than just the color. Cumber also looks way more like SS3 Goku than Broly.

So far Big Bang Mission is way less original than previous story arcs tho, that's true. It's just so bizarre to see Turles and Bojack coming back again, on an arc that happens right after another which introduced a good amount of original villains, with just some redesigns. The Gods of Destruction were also used just to create false hype, at least so far. Like Zamasu in the previous arc but actually worse.
Blue isn't a completely new form. It's literally just Super Saiyan with god ki and plenty of people have bitch about it just being a recolor. The reason why Heroes stands out more is that it isn't beholding to any Toriyama and can basically do whatever it wants, but it choses to do the most uncreative thing most of the time. The most standout example is Golden Cooler. Freeza said that he chose the color gold for his Ultimate form, so Cooler could have literally chosen any color he wanted. Instead....he chose gold.

That and Vegito looks so much like Goku in his Super Saiyan 4 form that it actually confused people outside of him having blue eyes to Goku's yellow.
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by MisteryOne » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:37 pm

HeroR wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:44 am
Dark_Tzitzimine wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:31 pm
HeroR wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:33 pm


And again, people who lived in Japan have said that GT isn’t popular over there. It isn’t ‘hated’, but it’s more or less a forgotten show with the only elements people love being the Super Saiyan 4s and Gogeta.
You say that despite GT being front and center of Heroes for a good amount of its life time, GT getting the spotlight in Dokkan and Legends anniversaries, having a recent rerun in Japanese TV and getting new merch all the time.
You are forgetting that Heroes also pre-dates 'modern' Dragon Ball by several years. Remember, Dragon Ball Heroes is older than Dragon Ball Kai and Battle of Gods didn't come out until 2013, so the most powerful form at the time was Super Saiyan 4, so that is what gets pushed. Even then, you noticed that they take GT in very broad stroke since Xeno Goku and Vegeta are not GT Goku and Vegeta, especially when Goku at the end of GT flew off on a dragon.

Also knew you would going to mentioned Dokkan and Legends, but let me tell you some stuff, (Warning, long post):
As for the merchandises, most GT merchandises these days are not even labeled 'GT'. They're labeled either Dragon Ball Heroes or Dragon Ball Super. We even had a thread talking about this.
MisteryOne wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:21 am
Xeno Goku Black wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:41 am
So if this series has the opportunity to be creative and do almost anything they want to really....then why do they make the most uncreative things?

Cooler but he's Gold, Meta Cooler but he's Gold, Bojack again, Turles again, Janemba but now he has some black on him, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta but he has black hair so it's Super Saiyan 4 Vegito now, Broly but now he has a tail and a mask so he's actually Cumber.

How are they gonna hype people up for this Goku and Vegeta new form and just give people the same thing again but they've changed the color of the hair to red in Microsoft Paint?

What are they doing?
I agree with almost everything but...are you seriously complaining about this new power up when SSB, a complete separate form, it's just a recolor? Granted, it wasn't in Toriyama's original design, but still. Vegito also looks nothing like Gogeta on SS4, and Golden Metal Cooler actually has more design changes than just the color. Cumber also looks way more like SS3 Goku than Broly.

So far Big Bang Mission is way less original than previous story arcs tho, that's true. It's just so bizarre to see Turles and Bojack coming back again, on an arc that happens right after another which introduced a good amount of original villains, with just some redesigns. The Gods of Destruction were also used just to create false hype, at least so far. Like Zamasu in the previous arc but actually worse.
Blue isn't a completely new form. It's literally just Super Saiyan with god ki and plenty of people have bitch about it just being a recolor. The reason why Heroes stands out more is that it isn't beholding to any Toriyama and can basically do whatever it wants, but it choses to do the most uncreative thing most of the time. The most standout example is Golden Cooler. Freeza said that he chose the color gold for his Ultimate form, so Cooler could have literally chosen any color he wanted. Instead....he chose gold.

That and Vegito looks so much like Goku in his Super Saiyan 4 form that it actually confused people outside of him having blue eyes to Goku's yellow.
Blue is still considered a differentlas transformation in the sense of not being just a mere power up to God, but rather a fusion of it with SS1. Which makes it even worse that it's a recolor with zero features from God, so you are actually proving my point.

They are not limited by Toriyama but they jave already said before that they are indeed limited even to the point that they gave Bardock SS4 because he couldn't get a God form,. On the other hand, Toriyama literally came up with the concept of Blue, he's actually way more free than the Heroes staff in that sense. Don't get me wrong, they are playing extremely safe lately (we are still missing some very obvious what-ifs) but if Toriyama gets a pass for Blue, there is zero reason to not give this new power up one as well. Excluding bias, of course. There are people on the fandom who hate every concept until it's done or approved by Toriyama, then it's suddenly great.

Cooler chosing Gold is indeed lame, but I don't see how it has to do with anything. The SS4s are also really lazy, with black hair and reddish fur, evenI fucking Broly. My point is that complaining specifically about a recolor when Toei made Blue one (again, in Toriyama's original draqing you can see it wasn't) without reason just doesn't make sensea anymore.


How does Goku look more like Vegito than like Gogeta? I'm genuiely curious, Vegito's hairstyle is completely different. Like, even more different from Goku's in SS4 than most Super Saiyans. Gogeta on the other hand is, a recolor. But Vegito? His hair is closer to Vegeta's.
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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by HeroR » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:01 pm

MisteryOne wrote:
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Blue is still considered a differentlas transformation in the sense of not being just a mere power up to God, but rather a fusion of it with SS1. Which makes it even worse that it's a recolor with zero features from God, so you are actually proving my point.

They are not limited by Toriyama but they jave already said before that they are indeed limited even to the point that they gave Bardock SS4 because he couldn't get a God form,. On the other hand, Toriyama literally came up with the concept of Blue, he's actually way more free than the Heroes staff in that sense. Don't get me wrong, they are playing extremely safe lately (we are still missing some very obvious what-ifs) but if Toriyama gets a pass for Blue, there is zero reason to not give this new power up one as well. Excluding bias, of course. There are people on the fandom who hate every concept until it's done or approved by Toriyama, then it's suddenly great.

How does Goku look more like Vegito than like Gogeta? I'm genuiely curious, Vegito's hairstyle is completely different. Like, even more different from Goku's in SS4 than most Super Saiyans. Gogeta on the other hand is, a recolor.
Blue is really not different that Super Saiyan 2 and 3. While merchandises labeled them as 'new forms' they are really just extensions of the original Super Saiyan as Toriyama puts it. Remember, Super Saiyan 2 didn't even have a name originally and was called Grade 4 in guidebooks. Even the names came from Goku simplifying things for Buu since Super Saiyan 2 was called 'a Super Saiyan that surpassed the limits of a Super Saiyan'. Which is also why when Future Trunks saw Super Saiyan 3 for the first time he said something to the extent, 'you found a way to surpassed a Super Saiyan that has already surpassed a Super Saiyan'.

The form doesn't need to look like its previous forms to be the same branch, just look at Freeza's forms. And since Blue is based on Super Saiyan, why would it be based on Super Saiyan God? Especially when Super Saiyan God was based on Goku's base form and Super Saiyan doesn't look like base Goku.

Super Saiyan 4 Bardock happened before Super Saiyan God was passed on to different people. Remember, it was only a few years ago that the Avatars got Super Saiyan God.

And Toriyama didn't 'get a pass' on Blue since people even today calls Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 'lazy' for being a recolor, despite it literally just being Super Saiyan with god ki.

This is Super Saiyan 4 Vegito https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/File ... o_Xeno.png and https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/File ... SJ4_24.jpg

He basically have Goku's face and body structure, which is why people thought it was Goku when they first saw him until they realized that the color of his eyes were wrong along with the hair. In comparison to Gogeta:

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/File ... a_Xeno.png

His fur and hair are different colors and his facial structure doesn't looks like Goku's, especially in comparison to Vegito. Which is why Vegito's Super Saiyan 4 looks so uninspiring. Especially when Super Saiyan 4 gives Gogeta wilder hair while Vegito's hair doesn't really changed, which is a little strange when you considered Super Saiyan Gogeta looks like this: https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/File ... a_Xeno.jpg
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Post by Dark_Tzitzimine » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:11 pm

Considering that V4 had an exclusive reveal in a major event that every major fan community picked up I find it very hard to believe that anyone legitimately confused him with Goku SSJ4. I have found people saying that Gogeta SSJ4 got red hair because he was too similar to Goku, but as checking the design sheets proves, they're enough differences in the design to easily set them apart.

Whether new units are being meta or not is irrelevant in the discussion about GT's popularity. Freaking Tarble is a staple in the DBH meta and you think is because he's a popular character? C'mon. The point is that they're still pushing the series in one way or another after all those years.

And yes, I know that DBH predates Super for a few years and GT was for a while the only thing they had to work but despite Super being a thing, they still push GT with exclusive content and a set number of cards on each set is devoted to GT (and so for OG DB, Z, and Super) when they could've simply phased out GT content for the new shiny toy that is Super. And as pointed out by Mystery One, SSJ4 was still a thing reserved for anniversaries and they only broke that trend because they couldn't figure out how to make an SSJ4 form for Trunks.

As for the merch, I actually own all the recent GT related ones and all of them have a GT logo in their boxes, sometimes smaller than the logos used for the series line, but the logo is still there.

Again, all this proves that GT is far from being hated or forgotten in Japan as people in the English speaking community claim to be.

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Post by MisteryOne » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:05 pm

HeroR wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:01 pm
MisteryOne wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:37 pm
Blue is still considered a differentlas transformation in the sense of not being just a mere power up to God, but rather a fusion of it with SS1. Which makes it even worse that it's a recolor with zero features from God, so you are actually proving my point.

They are not limited by Toriyama but they jave already said before that they are indeed limited even to the point that they gave Bardock SS4 because he couldn't get a God form,. On the other hand, Toriyama literally came up with the concept of Blue, he's actually way more free than the Heroes staff in that sense. Don't get me wrong, they are playing extremely safe lately (we are still missing some very obvious what-ifs) but if Toriyama gets a pass for Blue, there is zero reason to not give this new power up one as well. Excluding bias, of course. There are people on the fandom who hate every concept until it's done or approved by Toriyama, then it's suddenly great.

How does Goku look more like Vegito than like Gogeta? I'm genuiely curious, Vegito's hairstyle is completely different. Like, even more different from Goku's in SS4 than most Super Saiyans. Gogeta on the other hand is, a recolor.
Blue is really not different that Super Saiyan 2 and 3. While merchandises labeled them as 'new forms' they are really just extensions of the original Super Saiyan as Toriyama puts it. Remember, Super Saiyan 2 didn't even have a name originally and was called Grade 4 in guidebooks. Even the names came from Goku simplifying things for Buu since Super Saiyan 2 was called 'a Super Saiyan that surpassed the limits of a Super Saiyan'. Which is also why when Future Trunks saw Super Saiyan 3 for the first time he said something to the extent, 'you found a way to surpassed a Super Saiyan that has already surpassed a Super Saiyan'.

The form doesn't need to look like its previous forms to be the same branch, just look at Freeza's forms. And since Blue is based on Super Saiyan, why would it be based on Super Saiyan God? Especially when Super Saiyan God was based on Goku's base form and Super Saiyan doesn't look like base Goku.

Super Saiyan 4 Bardock happened before Super Saiyan God was passed on to different people. Remember, it was only a few years ago that the Avatars got Super Saiyan God.

And Toriyama didn't 'get a pass' on Blue since people even today calls Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 'lazy' for being a recolor, despite it literally just being Super Saiyan with god ki.

This is Super Saiyan 4 Vegito https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/File ... o_Xeno.png and https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/File ... SJ4_24.jpg

He basically have Goku's face and body structure, which is why people thought it was Goku when they first saw him until they realized that the color of his eyes were wrong along with the hair. In comparison to Gogeta:

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/File ... a_Xeno.png

His fur and hair are different colors and his facial structure doesn't looks like Goku's, especially in comparison to Vegito. Which is why Vegito's Super Saiyan 4 looks so uninspiring. Especially when Super Saiyan 4 gives Gogeta wilder hair while Vegito's hair doesn't really changed, which is a little strange when you considered Super Saiyan Gogeta looks like this: https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/File ... a_Xeno.jpg
Except that
a) That's pure headcanon, as Toriyama said himself SS2 and SS3 are not completely new power ups, yet he has alsovisto refered specifically to Blue as a form
b) Again you are proving my point: God is not a recolor of Base Goku, despite being based on it. So why Blue (even if we go by your logic of it being based exclusivel on SS1 which again is pure headcanon) is one? As you said, it's supposedly just SS with God Ki. Why doesn't it have thea same, changes as Base with God ki? It isn't consistent at all.

And I have see plenty of people giving the form a pass, specially in these forums. On Twitter, one user from here for example has even defended that "it isn't a recolor because Toriyama also gave them, new clothes" or that "it has different single bang so it sin't a recolor" (despite Toriyama giving that bang to SS1 in modern drawings!) . And e is not the only one. The excuse of it being SS with God ki as you said yourself si used a, lot. Some people keep calling the form lazy but doesn't change the, fact that most of the fandom has already acepted it. And again, my point is that if a form that was so hyped back then (even creating the Beyond God nonsense on Heroes by accident) and that is creat by the author himself is a recolor, how is it any better than this, power up which we don't even know if it will be labeled as a completely different form or not? Using headcanon, it coukd bebe compared to SS2 and 3 too, just a better version of SS4.

Terrible comparison. What have Frieza's forms have to do ith anything? They areare not related to Saiyans and are actually used to supress him. I dunno why you keep bringing random points. Also none of his transformations are a combination of two other ones, not are they recolors.

The Bardock thing still proves they, are not as free as you claimed they are. They can't just do, whatever they want. Whatever new designs they may have wanted tohe give these new power-ups, they needed tohe be approved, unlike Toriyama's which just get adapted or changed by the anime staff (see Blue and UI). It isn't alo coincidence that, theI Trunks who gotcan God is not the "main" one, that they didn't use the Super version of Goku andand Vegeta until theI anime ended or that the ones getting the new forms are, the Xenos and not their GT counterparts, for example. They have no way of knowing if Bardock will eventually show up again in Super as they said, so they can't play around with godly forms and give them to anyone.

Please show me examples of people getting confusing with Vegito and, Goku. He was literally revealed in a special event, and again, unless it's a close up it's impossible to, mistake their hairs. Anyone who takes two seconds tohe compare their designs see theyt are vastly different. Gogeta having different colors doesn't make the design more different in any way either. I can't see the inmages you provided but there is no way you can confuse them if you can fully see their, hairs. They are way more different that Goku and Vegeta's SS forms for example.
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