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Re: Opinions on Pieces of Music

Post by Turtle Marked Stone » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:34 pm

Hironobu Kageyama songs start sounding really samey after awhile. This is just another one of those upbeat heavy guitar songs detailing about why it's so super to "let's fighting love". They're in about every modern Dragon Ball game. There's just not a lot to say about it. He seems very one note to me and this song is no exception. It's okay but if you heard one you've more or less heard them all.

A Hero's Desperation
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Re: Opinions on Pieces of Music

Post by penguintruth » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:38 pm

Turtle Marked Stone wrote: A Hero's Desperation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EiqiD6i-cY
It's got this weird mix of 80s syth sound, guitar riff, and some other sounds, that makes it sound like an inspirational training montage music. It's not a bad piece, but not a spectacular one.

Next up is my favorite Kai piece, "The Braveheart's Triumphant Return": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er8WQ8Zj0IA
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Re: Opinions on Pieces of Music

Post by songohan619 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:44 pm

penguintruth wrote:
Turtle Marked Stone wrote: A Hero's Desperation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EiqiD6i-cY
It's got this weird mix of 80s syth sound, guitar riff, and some other sounds, that makes it sound like an inspirational training montage music. It's not a bad piece, but not a spectacular one.

Next up is my favorite Kai piece, "The Braveheart's Triumphant Return": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er8WQ8Zj0IA
Sounds a little wierd, like it can`t make up its mind about how it wants to be:Happy, Sad, Proud, Angry, Afraid, Cozy , and a lot of other feelings. It just feels like a lot of songs thrown together. Not very bad, but under avarage.
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Re: Opinions on Pieces of Music

Post by cRookie_Monster » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:32 am

Now this is the kinda stuff that I like the Japanese score for. They do a good job of the fun loving pop pieces. This one is produced better than most, probably because it's newer (Kai). Pretty short, but it's just a bumper kinda piece so that's expected. Good use of thematic material, or it gives that impression. I don't know all the melodies well enough to place it but I'm betting there's a full version of this melody, maybe with lyrics.

It's kinda like Disco meets J-Pop. I dig the open high hat on the up beat (disco trademark) I appreciate all the effort and detailed work that went into the arrangement, which sends it soaring above your average disco tune. Instruments coming in and out, tasty counterpoint from the low brass. The string runs are handled perfectly and at the right places. I love the way the melody fades between instruments. Trumpet, then trumpet and strings, then strings, then trumpet alone again. Great use of stop time hits at the opening and close. Very punchy.

Then there's the melodic and harmonic content. Disco music is pretty stagnant usually, vamping a chord or two. J-Pop however moves a lot more and tells a story usually. In a way that lazy American artists have just forgotten how to do. Not only does J-Pop harmony move more, but the melody does as well to match. No exception here. Nice syncopation as well in the melody. Very groovy.

The temple blocks at 0:06 are a nice touch, I can appreciate aux percussion in a piece like that this is meant for fun stuff. It's when they put it in the middle of a gory battle that makes me go whu??

Performance is good too. All in tune, great timing and feel from all the players.

But yeah like it. One area where the Japanese score beats the crap out of the American score for sure.

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Re: Opinions on Pieces of Music

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:33 am

Sounds very epic and suitable for an action/adventure blockbuster, it's a pity it as wasted on such a crap movie. I always enjoy hearing it before Castor Troy's DBE AMV.

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Re: Opinions on Pieces of Music

Post by penguintruth » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:48 am

I already gave that as an example.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Post by penguintruth » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:23 am

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:My bad, how about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs0WghAb3Yo
It's got this very "victorious", upbeat feel to it, like it's revealing a great power, and it builds quite nicely. I enjoy it.

Next: "Fugutives on the Run" (GT)
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Re: Opinions on Pieces of Music

Post by songohan619 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:06 am

penguintruth wrote:
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:My bad, how about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs0WghAb3Yo
It's got this very "victorious", upbeat feel to it, like it's revealing a great power, and it builds quite nicely. I enjoy it.

Next: "Fugutives on the Run" (GT)
Pretty nice. Sounds a bit like the Us score.
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Post by Lord Exor » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:04 am

Eh. I cannot abide J-pop, and I'm not exactly partial to lyrical music as a whole.
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Post by Kaboom » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:38 pm

Very creepy. Sounds like something that'd play with a scene of Imperfect Cell sneaking around all alien-like and absorbing people.

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Post by jpdbzrulz4sure » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:41 pm

Kaboom wrote:GT battle music
Awesome. GT's score is so underrated.

Speaking of GT's score, next up, Pan kicks the bank robbers' asses.
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Post by penguintruth » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:33 pm

jpdbzrulz4sure wrote:Speaking of GT's score, next up, Pan kicks the bank robbers' asses.
Very video game theme-ish, but not in a bad way. It has an adventerous feel to it. Actually, I was looking for that to use as an example earlier, but couldn't find it.

What about this one?: Super Deciding Battle To Divide Heaven From Earth!! by Shunsuke Kikuchi
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Post by cRookie_Monster » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:59 pm

penguintruth wrote:


What about this one?: Super Deciding Battle To Divide Heaven From Earth!! by Shunsuke Kikuchi
Blech, vibraslap to start. What is up with the Japanese and that sound???

Then a Dun DUn DUUUUUUUNNNNN!!! I've never heard that before :roll:

Then we go into a typical over simple monophonic orchestra melody with no harmony to speak of. It's like he wrote out a melody and just copied it for bass instruments in the orchestra cause he didn't know how to do anything else. It does have a nice dark flavor to it though and I can appreciate that.

Then we go violins with a chord or two plinking over the melody. It doesn't really go anywhere, just standard i iv V chords, typical of Kikuchi (dunno if it's him or not, sounds like it)

Then things pick up and the trumpets and trombones(ie jazz band brass) start playing annoying hits, as usual accompanied by vibraslap, must have that. Then flute\piccolo strikes which reminds me of old school James Bond type action music, again jazz band sounds. Oh yeah and a musical saw is in there, cause that's really scary sounding, especially back in the 1950s (hmm Kikuchi would have been in his 20s back then)

I dunno, just too clumsy and old fashioned for me. It breeds its own unique sound, but to me it's not deliberate at all, just an old man stuck in the days of his youth.

Ok I'll finally submit a Faulconer one. I didn't work on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh9j_mm0_XY
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Post by Coycoy88 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:14 pm

cRookie_Monster wrote:Ok I'll finally submit a Faulconer one. I didn't work on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh9j_mm0_XY
I prefer this version of that track. :D http://www.4shared.com/audio/yscaae97/_ ... e__Wi.html

The creepy violin instrument adds so much to it imo. Anyway, It's one of my fav songs from the Cell games. It gave a sort of "evil swarm of bee's" vibe. Fits the crazy, murderous attidudes the Cell Jr's had.

*edit* whoooops! forgot to add another song. D: How about this one. Mark Menza - http://www.4shared.com/audio/3NQ6sAQG/S ... Andro.html
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Post by cRookie_Monster » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:52 pm

I think he was asking you to review the Menza piece, which is mostly live guitar (some string synths added in though)
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Post by jpdbzrulz4sure » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:14 pm

cRookie_Monster wrote:I think he was asking you to review the Menza piece, which is mostly live guitar (some string synths added in though)
For the record, he edited that in after I posted. I assumed he wanted me to review the alternate Cell Jr. music, since there was only that link at the time I posted.

Okay, fixed.

Anyway, how 'bout that music I linked to in my previous post.
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Re: Opinions on Pieces of Music

Post by penguintruth » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:02 pm

jpdbzrulz4sure wrote: Anyway, how 'bout that music I linked to in my previous post.
There's nothing that special about the first part, but I really like that last part that's used to cap story arcs. I like the transition from the darker, sadder part to the happier bit.

Now, for a change of pace from me, I'll post a piece of Faulconer music that I didn't mind that much: Earth at Peace
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Post by jpdbzrulz4sure » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:19 pm

penguintruth wrote:Earth at Peace
Wow, penguintruth posted a Faulconer Productions piece. Well now I've seen it all.

Anyway, that's actually a pretty decent piece. Even though I dislike all replacement scores in DBZ (mostly because I disapprove of replacement dub music in general), some pieces are actually pretty nice compositions by themselves. This piece: Starts out dramatic and intense, then winds down into a more peaceful sound, signifying the end of a battle.

Up next, here's a nice long one: M-1912 (Broli may suck, but I think his theme music is cool.)
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