Favorite/Least Favorite Voice Performances in DBZ Kai

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

I have been but you haven't said why Clinkenbeard is better then Ocean Gohans either. Jheeze I'm just a kid, give me a break!

No you haven't. Your argument so far has consisted of "She's better because she's better" and "She's better because she sounds more like a young boy". On both fronts you've failed to explain why.

Also, I have explained why I believe Clinkenbeard is better:

She not only did that, she gave the role a humanity to it that it hadn't had before. She had both the acting chops and range to make the character sound believable and endearing.

Fine I'll do it.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I've got to echo Black Paladin on favorite returners:

1) Sabat- He had to improve multiple characters, and would have to work harder than anyone else to do it. And he did it.

Did anyone ever think we'd see the day where folks who weren't fans of the original dub would find his Vegeta at least tolerable? Or Yamcha? Heck, Yamcha was able to get away with the blatantly-American lines in my book.

2) Schmmeul- He knows his character, he knows how to act his character even with Nozawa's voice and the script working against him, and can even turn Goku into an utter badass to a point Nozawa probably can't match without the script's help. And, of course, "I am the Super Sayain, Son Goku!" A lot of credit is due here.

I probably liked his Nail more the first time around, though.

3) Strait- Strait had Krillin by the Buu Saga, and ironed out his Bardock from the video games. Nothing to expect but the best here.

Honorable mentions: John Biergmier, Justin Cook, Chris Rager, Dameon Nickelback and Dartanian Clarke (Okay, probably not in good taste, but too good to pass up)

Favorite Newcomers:

Chris Ayres: A character redemption this through (Much respect for Young for doing the voice for a decade) was outside my expectations of a "faithful dub". That's pretty much how good the voice was. I was hearing Nakao's brilliance, as well as Freeza's relatively uniqueness among the Dragon Ball rogues gallery, in my own language. One of the few times I was taken aback by the series ever. Even better, I can completely forgive all of the overused villain lines he ended up having to use since Freeza wasn't spouting constant jokes anymore.

Problem is, that's pretty much it. Don't hate Clickenbeard, but I was never floored by her either.

3. The Bit-Part Actors – This is gonna sound really weird, but I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet.

Frankly, I was wondering if that was allowed. But Sabat wasn't lying, at all. The episode with the Namekians and Freeza in episode 16, 17? I actually felt the tension in that situation; for the first time I ever felt any desperation in anything Dragon Ball ever, similar reaction to Ayres' Freeza. Going back to the old dub where the bit parts were jokes, it's astonishing, and a welcome sight.

[Gaffer Tape]

Jheeze I'm just a kid, give me a break!

Okay, this is getting a bit silly. Either you're a kid or an adult. If you are, as you claim, an adult who likes childish things, you can't use the, "I'm just a kid" excuse because, well, you're not. And if you actually are a kid, do you really want that to be your defining feature any time someone engages you in debate? Wouldn't you prefer to be taken seriously?

[jjgp1112]

Favorite Returning Voices
1. Chris Sabat as well, uh...all of his roles: Chris Sabat's really outdone himself here. The voices he uses are mostly the same as they've always been since 2004-ish, but a lot more fine-tuned and with better range. Piccolo and Vegeta especially have improved.
2. Sean Schemmel as Goku: What more needs to be said that hasn't been already?
3. Sonny Strait as Krillin: Ditto.

Favorite New Voices
1. Chris Ayres as Frieza: Great voice overall. peerfectly nuance, and smugly polite and all-around irritating. the best voice possible for Frieza.
2. The Ginyu Force: Besides Recoome, of course, since his is the same. But these were all good replacements, especially Jeice.
3. Dartinian Nickelback as Cell: Gee, he sure does do a good job at imitating Dameon Clarke, huh?

Least favorite voices
1. Monica Rial as Bulma: Sounds less like how I'd imagine Bulma sounding like and more like a bitchy math teacher

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Jheeze I'm just a kid, give me a break!

Okay, this is getting a bit silly. Either you're a kid or an adult. If you are, as you claim, an adult who likes childish things, you can't use the, "I'm just a kid" excuse because, well, you're not. And if you actually are a kid, do you really want that to be your defining feature any time someone engages you in debate? Wouldn't you prefer to be taken seriously?

My mother said I'll always be her child.

[Pokewhiz7]

1. Monica Rial as Bulma: Sounds less like how I'd imagine Bulma sounding like and more like a bitchy math teacher

Maybe I'm just weird, but I think she sounds kinda hot.

[batistabus]

1. Monica Rial as Bulma: Sounds less like how I'd imagine Bulma sounding like and more like a bitchy math teacher

Maybe I'm just weird, but I think she sounds kinda hot.

[Kikuchi track that plays in Dragon Ball when something sexy is happening]

But seriously, I thought when Rial wanted to sound bitchy or spunky, it worked really well. When she tried to sound nice or vulnerable, I really bought it too.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

My mother said I'll always be her child.

We will always be our mother's child, but in their minds and hearts of course. We also grow up, and never stay kids forever too.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

My mother said I'll always be her child.

We will always be our mother's child, but in their minds and hearts of course. We also grow up, and never stay kids forever too.

Ever heard of the teenager trapped in a baby's body?

[VegettoEX]

Can we just cut the crap responses? If you're an adult, act your age. If you're not, you need to quickly understand that you're conversing with many folks far older than you, and this cute nonsense needs to end. You're testing everyone's patience -- my own included.

Back on-topic. Thank you.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Ever heard of the teenager trapped in a baby's body?

You are not even a teenager if you are 24 years old! What the hell are you? A baby? A kid? A teen? An adult?

[perucho1990]

No, the proper way to say it would've been "he sounds too feminine" or "his voice is too high pitched". You might as well have said something like "Sabat sounds like a total [n-word] when he voices Piccolo". It's immensely offensive and especially inappropriate on a forum with such a mixed bag of users.

As for your comparisons...I have no idea as to what you're getting at. And I think your comments about Clinkenbeard's #18 are just untrue.

Well then I will say that Jeice's voice sounds like someone that came out of the closet.

Sabat's Piccolo in the Old Dub/Remastered sounded like a drunk guy, plz lets not forget that famous line known as "The Balls are Inert".

About Clinkenbeard voicing 18, why cant she do what Tanaka did?
I mean something like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Bwzk1p_Xs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zJ9cFr1 ... re=related
You see there is a bit of difference in the voices.

Also, as I already mentioned that she sounded way too much like Gohan and had the problem Sabat had in the past.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMTVWbkbizM

Watch the video you will see how Burter sounded too much like Vegeta in the Remastered Dub. Thats the problem Clinkenbeard had.

[AgitoZ]

Well then I will say that Jeice's voice sounds like someone that came out of the closet.

No...batistabus already summed up what you were trying to say. You're still implying that Jheese's voice sounds "gay". Which is still kinda offensive, but certainly more PC than your previous comment. But with that said, that's still wrong. Liking the same gender does not heighten the pitch of your voice, that's why calling it "more feminine" or "high-pitched" is a better "critique".

About Clinkenbeard voicing 18, why cant she do what Tanaka did?
I mean something like this.

You see there is a bit of difference in the voices.

Also, as I already mentioned that she sounded way too much like Gohan and had the problem Sabat had in the past.

...Thats the problem Clinkenbeard had.

Why would want Clinkenbeard to do that? Luffy and Krillin sound much more similar than #18 or Gohan ever did. I still don't know what you're seeing, or hearing that is. She did a good job differentiating her little kid voice and woman voice.

[batistabus]

I haven't watched any of the One Piece anime, but I've been reading a lot of it lately. Krillin and Luffy are COMPLETELY different characters. I find it odd that they have the same voice actress, but I'd have to hear some lines to judge for myself. I've heard some clips from the FUNimation version, and Clinkenbeard sounds great. Then again, Luffy and Gohan are also completely different characters...

Anyway, I don't personally think there's a problem with thinking or saying that a character sounds gay. There are plenty of characters that are MEANT to have a manner of speaking that resembles the opposite gender role. There's an entire argument that could be had about how (in the media) gay characters have been given a particular role or sound, but for all intents and purposes, it's something that does exist in the Dragon Ball universe. Mr. Popo is a perfect example of insensitive character design, but we all let it slide due to Toriyama's (and perhaps Japan's) ignorance and lack of exposure (rather than an attempt by Toriyama to be racist or demeaning). DBZ's Japanese portrayal of Butta seems to be another example. There's nothing wrong with thinking that a character should speak in a more masculine manner, or have a voice actor with a voice that is less high pitched. However, if you're just displeased with the voice actors performance, and you're going to use a random insult (Sabat sounded like a drunk), that's not okay. It's especially not okay when it's an insult that is offensive exclusively to a certain group of people.

[perucho1990]

Well then I will say that Jeice's voice sounds like someone that came out of the closet.

No...batistabus already summed up what you were trying to say. You're still implying that Jheese's voice sounds "gay". Which is still kinda offensive, but certainly more PC than your previous comment. But with that said, that's still wrong. Liking the same gender does not heighten the pitch of your voice, that's why calling it "more feminine" or "high-pitched" is a better "critique".

About Clinkenbeard voicing 18, why cant she do what Tanaka did?
I mean something like this.

You see there is a bit of difference in the voices.

Also, as I already mentioned that she sounded way too much like Gohan and had the problem Sabat had in the past.

...Thats the problem Clinkenbeard had.

Why would want Clinkenbeard to do that? Luffy and Krillin sound much more similar than #18 or Gohan ever did. I still don't know what you're seeing, or hearing that is. She did a good job differentiating her little kid voice and woman voice.

#18's voice sounded a lot like Gohan when she was talking loudly, or screaming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWhe4G8Ip9o

[Gonstead]

I can hear a tiny tidbit of Gohan in the voice but other than that it's a completely different voice.

[perucho1990]

I haven't watched any of the One Piece anime, but I've been reading a lot of it lately. Krillin and Luffy are COMPLETELY different characters. I find it odd that they have the same voice actress, but I'd have to hear some lines to judge for myself. I've heard some clips from the FUNimation version, and Clinkenbeard sounds great. Then again, Luffy and Gohan are also completely different characters...

Anyway, I don't personally think there's a problem with thinking or saying that a character sounds gay. There are plenty of characters that are MEANT to have a manner of speaking that resembles the opposite gender role. There's an entire argument that could be had about how (in the media) gay characters have been given a particular role or sound, but for all intents and purposes, it's something that does exist in the Dragon Ball universe. Mr. Popo is a perfect example of insensitive character design, but we all let it slide due to Toriyama's (and perhaps Japan's) ignorance and lack of exposure (rather than an attempt by Toriyama to be racist or demeaning). DBZ's Japanese portrayal of Butta seems to be another example. There's nothing wrong with thinking that a character should speak in a more masculine manner, or have a voice actor with a voice that is less high pitched. However, if you're just displeased with the voice actors performance, and you're going to use a random insult (Sabat sounded like a drunk), that's not okay. It's especially not okay when it's an insult that is offensive exclusively to a certain group of people.

Mr 2 aka Bon Clay in One Piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTszWUiuCbM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIWtsf7Y ... re=related

Despite being gay, he was a funny character.

You should watch One Piece, its very very entertaining, having the voice actors of Inuyasha and Pikachu = instant win.

[Gonstead]

Mr 2 aka Bon Clay in One Piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTszWUiuCbM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIWtsf7Y ... re=related

Despite being gay, he was a funny character.

You should watch One Piece, its very very entertaining, having the voice actors of Inuyasha and Pikachu = instant win.

Is it ever actually said Bon Clay was Gay? He could just be more feminine that other people.

[batistabus]

Bon Clay is definitely gay. He uses the word "okama" a lot to describe himself, which I've seen translated as "transvestite" or just "gay".

[penguintruth]

Looks like most of us agree that Chris Sabat has had the most improvement in his roles.