"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Miracles]

That was only said in the anime, not the manga.

Vegeta: "Goku has sealed the overflowing power from blue within his body."~Chapter 24

Sealing overflowing power isn't the same same as Whis talking about 'leaking ki', since everyone in Super has auras, including Beerus. Yet, Whis doesn't call that leaking ki.

Sealing ki increases power. Goku and Vegeta moved in the training world when they kept their ki from leaking in the anime. It's the same concept here.

[HeroR]

Sealing ki increases power. Goku and Vegeta moved in the training world when they kept their ki from leaking in the anime. It's the same concept here.

It really isn't since ki leaking has nothing to do with having an aura or not, unlike the manga. And as I said, Whis in the manga said nothing about leaking ki, so you're taking a line from the anime and putting it into the manga.

[Miracles]

Sealing ki increases power. Goku and Vegeta moved in the training world when they kept their ki from leaking in the anime. It's the same concept here.

It really isn't since ki leaking has nothing to do with having an aura or not, unlike the manga. And as I said, Whis in the manga said nothing about leaking ki, so you're taking a line from the anime and putting it into the manga.

Never stated ki leaking has anything to do with just an aura showing. It has everything to do with losing energy. Aura's disappeared, showing the overflowing/leaking power being sealed.

[HeroR]

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Never stated ki leaking has anything to do with just an aura showing. It has everything to do with losing energy. Aura's disappeared, showing the overflowing/leaking power being sealed.

It was more or less implied since Mastered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan happens by Goku sucking in his own aura.

[Analytical Delusion]

I don't think we will and I hope Kaioken never sees the light of day in the manga.

Mastered Super Saiyan Blue > Kaioken Blue.
The point in the story is to control one's ki from leaking.

Hoping you guys are right. The anime seemed to be moving away from KK as a plot point, but from the latest spoilers, seems we'll be seeing it again in the Jiren fight. Though, I suppose if we get to that point without KK making an appearance, it's likely it won't at all (since at that point, the new transformation would replace it as Goku's battle form).

[Doctor.]

The anime seemed to be moving away from KK as a plot point

How if Goku abused it during the recruitment arc and the Zen Exhibition? If anything, it was setting up for him to use a higher level of Kaioken from the start.

[ekrolo2]

The anime seemed to be moving away from KK as a plot point

How if Goku abused it during the recruitment arc and the Zen Exhibition? If anything, it was setting up for him to use a higher level of Kaioken from the start.

Remember how Vegeta was supposed to be right next to Goku power wise

[Alruneia]

The anime seemed to be moving away from KK as a plot point

How if Goku abused it during the recruitment arc and the Zen Exhibition? If anything, it was setting up for him to use a higher level of Kaioken from the start.

Remember how Vegeta was supposed to be right next to Goku power wise

As of the newest manga chapter, he is. Remember that the manga is approximately 29 episodes behind the anime, to put it like that, and has ample time to set new things up or change things compared to it (while staying within the outline, of course). Without Kaioken, we may see a pretty large deviation between how anime Goku becomes a Limit Breaking Saiyan and how manga Goku does.

[Analytical Delusion]

The anime seemed to be moving away from KK as a plot point

How if Goku abused it during the recruitment arc and the Zen Exhibition? If anything, it was setting up for him to use a higher level of Kaioken from the start.

We hadn't seen it at all during the ToP though, when during nearly every other fight, it made an appearance.

[Doctor.]

The anime seemed to be moving away from KK as a plot point

How if Goku abused it during the recruitment arc and the Zen Exhibition? If anything, it was setting up for him to use a higher level of Kaioken from the start.

We hadn't seen it at all during the ToP though, when during nearly every other fight, it made an appearance.

The narrative in the ToP is that he's conserving his energy (even if that's immediately contradicted every episode), of course he wouldn't use such a taxing power-up.

[ekrolo2]

How if Goku abused it during the recruitment arc and the Zen Exhibition? If anything, it was setting up for him to use a higher level of Kaioken from the start.

Remember how Vegeta was supposed to be right next to Goku power wise

As of the newest manga chapter, he is. Remember that the manga is approximately 29 episodes behind the anime, to put it like that, and has ample time to set new things up or change things compared to it (while staying within the outline, of course). Without Kaioken, we may see a pretty large deviation between how anime Goku becomes a Limit Breaking Saiyan and how manga Goku does.

No I mean in comparison to the anime where Goku can raise his power by dozens of times over without Limit Breaker, making Vegeta a total worthless mook next to him. In the manga the idea of them being basically the same remains firmly in place.

[FortuneSSJ]

No I mean in comparison to the anime where Goku can raise his power by dozens of times over without Limit Breaker, making Vegeta a total worthless mook next to him. In the manga the idea of them being basically the same remains firmly in place.

That idea was thrown out the window when Goku learnt Hakai after watched it off-screen. Vegeta has no chance in a deathmatch.

[ekrolo2]

No I mean in comparison to the anime where Goku can raise his power by dozens of times over without Limit Breaker, making Vegeta a total worthless mook next to him. In the manga the idea of them being basically the same remains firmly in place.

That idea was thrown out the window when Goku learnt Hakai after watched it off-screen. Vegeta has no chance in a deathmatch.

Which will never happen because Goku wouldn't want to kill Vegeta nor does he often try to kill people he has good reason to try and kill.

[FortuneSSJ]

No I mean in comparison to the anime where Goku can raise his power by dozens of times over without Limit Breaker, making Vegeta a total worthless mook next to him. In the manga the idea of them being basically the same remains firmly in place.

That idea was thrown out the window when Goku learnt Hakai after watched it off-screen. Vegeta has no chance in a deathmatch.

Which will never happen because Goku wouldn't want to kill Vegeta nor does he often try to kill people he has good reason to try and kill.

Doesn't change the fact Goku in the manga can erase the prince's existence. They aren't basically on the same level.

[LightBing]

No I mean in comparison to the anime where Goku can raise his power by dozens of times over without Limit Breaker, making Vegeta a total worthless mook next to him. In the manga the idea of them being basically the same remains firmly in place.

That idea was thrown out the window when Goku learnt Hakai after watched it off-screen. Vegeta has no chance in a deathmatch.

If it ever happened I'm pretty sure Vegeta would think of counter-measures, the element of surprise is gone. Goku always had the best attacks, like the Genki Dama. Doesn't mean he's still not even with Vegeta or whoever the story chooses to make him equal to.

The only difference between Goku and Vegeta in the manga was in the last arc, where Goku was ahead of the curve by having Mastered Blue. The first chapter of the new arc quickly put them even once more.

In the manga Vegeta is actually a rival to Goku in the anime not even close. One Kaioken and Vegeta is finger-flicked.

[JazzHands]

I believe Toyotaro has been working on this manga since those first or before those manga scans of the arc. I believe it will be done much better than the Anime.

[Noah]

I believe Toyotaro has been working on this manga since those first or before those manga scans of the arc. I believe it will be done much better than the Anime.

You wish.

[Miracles]

I believe Toyotaro has been working on this manga since those first or before those manga scans of the arc. I believe it will be done much better than the Anime.

You wish.

It's very possible. Besides Dyspo vs Hit, anime's Tournament of power has been underwhelming so far.

[Jigurashi]

I believe Toyotaro has been working on this manga since those first or before those manga scans of the arc. I believe it will be done much better than the Anime.

You wish.

It's very possible. Besides Dyspo vs Hit, anime's Tournament of power has been underwhelming so far.

Can't say I agree with that at all.

As for the other issue, Vegeta isn't meant to be on Goku's level in the anime. Unless the outline specifically says what level of power they're at, Toyo and Toei seem like they get free enough control to make some characters as strong as they want them to be at times. In the manga's case, Toyo has Goku and Vegeta on par. In the anime, Vegeta is one-shot material to Goku in the power department.

[Zeru14]

I wonder how different the recruitments will be, I don't see 17 and Goku fighting space poachers for one, or the assassination attempt on Frieza. I hope some training happens, I mean the time chamber is always available to anyone, it would be nice for the team to go in for a day to get into shape and work on some techniques and strategies, they could do that while Goku is in the afterlife getting Frieza.