Rakurai wrote:WittyUsername wrote:
That still begs the question of why they didn’t just erase the universes again after 17 made his wish. If their whole goal was to get rid of the lesser universes because they thought there were too many to keep track of, why did they leave the universes alone after 17 wished them back? Even if we interpret 17’s wish as an act of defiance against these childish assholes, it comes across as hollow when you consider that there’s nothing stopping them from just wiping everything out again.
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If you noticed in the story, it was the Grand Priest who suggested the idea of erasing them. The Zenos just went 'Yeah that sounds like a good idea let's go with it!' And he was the one who told Shin that U7 got bumped up too. Not to perpetuate memes but the Grand Priest has a lot more influence over the universes than we are led to believe. So ultimately while 17 made the wish in defiance of the Zenos' grand order, it was the Grand Priest with whom he was at odds. And the Grand Priest was impressed with the kind of wish he made. So at the very least he's on their good side now if anything.
It's also worth noting that 17 asked Grand Priest to make that wish first, which he accepted, so it wasn't a "He made a wish he shouldn't have" kind of thing since Grand Priest could've just said "We're not making that wish, think of something else".
RandomGuy96 wrote:Does anyone else feel like Toriyama changed his mind halfway through the ToP? A big deal was made of the fact that Jiren was the one mortal who even the Gods of Destruction were powerless against, and how Goku needed to master the technique that was beyond the Destroyers to have a chance against him. When they finally clashed against each other, Beerus admitted in a bittersweet tone that Goku was incredible, seemingly accepting that he had been surpassed, with the anime version making this particularly clear when it had Goku and Jiren punching each other set to music where the singer screams about how even the gods are in awe. Then it has them stand up respectfully, acknowledging the fight.
But as of the latest arc, Goku claims he hasn't pulled off Ultra Instinct even once since Jiren knocked him out of it. He doesn't use it in the Broly movie either. And in both the Broly arc and the La Cabra arc, Beerus is still acting like the same smug prick and Goku is still chasing his tail. What was even the point of the ToP and Ultra Instinct if everything was going to be reset?
Beerus is that kid who changes the rules of the game everytime he starts to lose, in this case by just powering himself up, clearly
PFM18 wrote:End of Z/28th Tenkaichi Budokai are thoroughly contradicted already so this wouldn't really change anything other than maybe "EoZ is MORE contradicted now!"
EoZ is only really contradicted when it comes to ages and dates, how old Bulma looks, Goten's, Trunks' and Maron's refusal to grow and how long it was between the last time Goku and Bulma met, don't think EoZ outright contradicted a character's status so far, so removing Boo would be odd.
shadowfox87 wrote:PFM18 wrote:End of Z/28th Tenkaichi Budokai are thoroughly contradicted already so this wouldn't really change anything other than maybe "EoZ is MORE contradicted now!"
Which contradiction are you referring to? The one where Goku says he hasn't seen Bulma for 5 years? That can still fit. It's Age 780 right now in Super. 780, 781, 782, 783, and 784 - that's 5 years. Since the Tenkaichi Budokai occurs in May, Goku may be simply counting the 5 months that have passed in the current year and rounding up. They can also just make it where they do the whole Goku is dumb and can't count or that Goku forgot a year since he's been training with Uub, time flew by. They can also just do a retcon.
Bulma also agrees it's been 5 years though, and Goku was there when Bra was born in Super, so it's been just 3 years if we count just that last meeting, so yeah, either Bra's age was retconned, or Goku's and Bulma's last meeting was.
Noah wrote:How about... "10 years of peace"?
As far as I've seen, the manga only says it's been 10 years since Boo, doesn't specificaly say it was 10 years, though Piccolo saying he hasn't seen Goku that happy does imply that.
RandomGuy96 wrote:I just remembered something. Buu fell asleep at the start of the ToP arc and it was stated he wouldn't awaken for two months. He's still asleep as of the latest chapter. Wouldn't that mean the Universe Survival arc, Broly arc, and El Cabro Demoníaco arc happen at most a few weeks from each other?
"El Cabro Demoníaco" LOL.
Anyways, it's also possible this new arc happens a year after ToP, though that would be a contrived coincidence that the Galactic Patrol picked Boo just when he was sleeping, unless they knew about it.
SaiyanGod117 wrote:Goku was an infant originally as said by Master Roshi and shown in the Bardock special that was canon. I don't know why people still try to deny this fact, when Toriyama assimilated it into the manga and said it in a interview.
Actualy, Goku was originaly a kid, since Roshi mentions Grandpa Gohan finding a kid, then when Raditz arrives it's a baby, then with Jaco/Minus it's a kid again, it's subtle, but the intent is clear