TKA wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:29 am
I previously said people are taking this hereditary kindness thing much too literally.
This puts it well. Courtesy of
Cipher.
Boy do I wish Dragonball discussion wasn’t often times so infantile. If people can’t agree on the barebones of just the plot, it makes more substantial discussion nigh impossible.
You can’t talk about the pro immigration, anti-imperialist, pro-BLM aspects of Batman v Superman if you’re stuck in endless debates about whether Thug #483 got killed by Batman or not.
To be fair, the fiction involving the actual story and the characters is far more important and interesting than the propagandistic meta-fiction dreamed up by sad bitter bourgeoise liberals in a mainstream cookie-cutter industry who thinks they're fighting the power, while sharing every opinion that said "power" tells them to. If people were interested in reading their political screed of it's own inherent value, they wouldn't feel the need to use comic books/movies as a platform to push it.
That is, people pick the far more interesting topic to discuss.
In fairness to you, sure it can be fun to discuss metatextual things, and analyse it from that perspective, but if you're going to do that, personally I think it's a far more fascinating endeavor to analyze how different people can see the same piece of work and experience entirely different understandings of it.
Experiencing different perspectives and analyses of a piece of fiction is much more rewarding, from an intellectual level and a human level. It brings people together in fruitful discussion, rather than your seeming annoyance that people don't want to discuss very specific ideological bands in fiction with you.
That probably stands slightly at odds with my earlier statement, but I guess that's worthy of analysis itself!
Magnificent Ponta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:07 pm
I dunno, I quite
like the fact that, despite Vegeta's assumption that Goku gets something of his character from his father, the story
actually makes clear that Bardock is the one being challenged and changed in an unexpected (and in this case, undesired) way by Goku, even without Goku consciously doing anything to make that happen - that is, just like Goku has done with so many other characters in Dragon Ball, to varying degrees. There's just
something about him that makes people confront themselves, even against their previous inclinations, and there always has been.
While it's not some amazing thing that makes the Chapter anything really special, I do think it's a neat little extra variation on something that's well-established in Dragon Ball as a whole, and which has continued to be highlighted as relevant as recently as the previous arc (and which ties in further with Bardock's decision in Minus and Broly). I enjoyed that.
Hey, I hadn't really considered this viewpoint, but I really like your take on it.