I personally do not like Black/Zamas and typically see the whole arc as a low point in the franchise. Again, I think I understand the appeal as the characters and ideas are super cool. I just don't like the execution.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:16 pmThe bolded is the point I am getting at and the question that is interesting. We already see many people comparing Ultra Instinct to the original Super Saiyan on Namek, because the scene where Goku awakens Mastered Ultra Instinct against Jiren was so iconic, popular, game-breaking.Krillin1994 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:21 pm
Yes but it seems to be based around Super iterations, I mean Namek arc Frieza is on a different level of engagement. RoF was a miserable display of his character. People liked the direction the ToP went with him, but even then ultimately his main moment was just at the end for the side by side shot with Goku, the rest of the time just being 'oh ho ho ho I'm wicked'.
With those depictions of Freeza being more fresh in people's minds, then I mean I would probably place Goku Black higher than Frieza.
But Namek Arc Freeza is a level of lasting iconic. Even now if you mention Dragonball casual people immediately think Z. Goku Black will never have that mainstream draw.
But with that Poll we won't know since there was no option for those other villains. If another poll appears down the line where we can vote on villains and Black scores higher than Buu and Cell, then I'll say fair enough. But my gut is thinking people won't be talking about Goku Black like they do with Freeza, Cell and Buu 30 years after their debuts.
I mean, I can't speak for you, but I've seen countless people online saying stuff like "Goku unlocking MUI is as epic as the Super Saiyan scene".
It wouldn't surprise me if Super overtakes DBZ for future generations, it is after all a kids' show. For many kids who grew up in the 2010s and in this decade, DBS is their first introduction to Dragon Ball.
With that being said, my guy has a great point. Also, I see some pretty fallacious arguments against the polls SupremeKai25 put up. Like it or not Black is a huge deal and will probably have a growing impact over time. I can't speak for how long or how relevant he'll stay, but denying it seems silly.
Without any doubt, Black and Zamas are crazy popular. It's just not my cup of tea.