although that has been said in the anime, until now they had not said it in the manga .... it is certainly a good excuse for goku not to achieve ultra instinct
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After making a huge deal outta of it in the anime and manga not to mention Toyo had gohan trained since the Black arc ended in the mangaTai Lung wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:02 pmit happened before ... why it wouldn't happen again?Block88 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:35 pmHe has his own life he isn’t gonna trained 24/7 where he has other things to do as well not to mention vegeta has evolution in the manga putting him over gohan and goku probably caught up with vegeta like usual. nothing even hints to him regressing like in Buu and RofTai Lung wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:04 pm
kefla surpasses the power of goku SSB, Vegeta SSB, toppo and Golden frieza according to the words of vados and champa by declaring that kefla could beat everyone in the tournament (except jiren) both feel god ki and also saw the fight of goku ssb and toppo .
kahseral says that kefla is stronger than kale and she humiliates golden frieza ...
Gohan managed to tie his fight with Kefla then ... Gohan managed to surpasses Goku SSB and Vegeta SSB
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in fnf it was only a few months
and now he is the third strongest again ..... it always happens when he surpasses his father, they just push him back no wonder
that happened in buu arc and in fnf and now again
... besides that krillin says he was in college and the clothes
if the case were that goku and vegeta are now stronger than gohan be anyway it would be the same ... goku and vegeta keep training but gohan doesn't do it anymore so they end up overcoming it
I really can't complain .... the character is just like that
You making up an issue that’s nowhere stated in this chapter
Nothing stated gohan regressed again in this chapter
Vegeta surpassed gohan back in the TOP when he achieved evolution
Goku as usual probably kept up
Gohan probably balance his shit with training and study given he ain’t looking like his ROF self
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the increase in vegeta is relative because I doubt it was too high ..Block88 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:31 pmAfter making a huge deal outta of it in the anime and manga not to mention Toyo had gohan trained since the Black arc ended in the mangaTai Lung wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:02 pmit happened before ... why it wouldn't happen again?Block88 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:35 pm
He has his own life he isn’t gonna trained 24/7 where he has other things to do as well not to mention vegeta has evolution in the manga putting him over gohan and goku probably caught up with vegeta like usual. nothing even hints to him regressing like in Buu and Rof
if the case were that goku and vegeta are now stronger than gohan be anyway it would be the same ... goku and vegeta keep training but gohan doesn't do it anymore so they end up overcoming it
I really can't complain .... the character is just like that
You making up an issue that’s nowhere stated in this chapter
Nothing stated gohan regressed again in this chapter
Vegeta surpassed gohan back in the TOP when he achieved evolution
Goku as usual probably kept up
Gohan probably balance his shit with training and study given he ain’t looking like his ROF self
Anyway, if Goku and Vegeta managed to get over him, what changing what I am saying.?
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"Should we contact Yamcha?"
Fucking hell... I mean... why tease like that?
Fucking hell... I mean... why tease like that?
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I suppose this is now a running joke.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:56 pm "Should we contact Yamcha?"
Fucking hell... I mean... why tease like that?
But imagine the punchline being that somewhere down the line he will show up all powered up because he was tired of being ignored and started training seriously.
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good things about the chapter ....
although some do not like I think piccolo is on character perfectly... he is currently a guardian and he not kills people how before ...
yeah he tried kill babidi but was after some events
pitifully they are losing to vegeta ... but at least the namekian is well represented
the whole thing about cell phones and tien shinhan have been very funny ... more when you realize that DB is modernizing over time
although some do not like I think piccolo is on character perfectly... he is currently a guardian and he not kills people how before ...
yeah he tried kill babidi but was after some events
pitifully they are losing to vegeta ... but at least the namekian is well represented
the whole thing about cell phones and tien shinhan have been very funny ... more when you realize that DB is modernizing over time
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It’s funny how this chapter’s dialogue about how Goku achieved Ultra Instinct fits better with the anime than the manga.
So much for the “Ultra Instinct is the culmination of every teaching Goku received” thing the manga had going on.
So much for the “Ultra Instinct is the culmination of every teaching Goku received” thing the manga had going on.
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I wasn’t following the manga’s version of the ToP, Was this the way in which Goku first attained UI in the manga?emperior wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:44 am It’s funny how this chapter’s dialogue about how Goku achieved Ultra Instinct fits better with the anime than the manga.
So much for the “Ultra Instinct is the culmination of every teaching Goku received”. Of course it was always meant to happen on a fluke in Toriyama’s outline.
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Once again ur making up something that isn’t there we just saw gohan back in the chapter with nothing hinting him regressingTai Lung wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:58 pmthe increase in vegeta is relative because I doubt it was too high ..Block88 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:31 pmAfter making a huge deal outta of it in the anime and manga not to mention Toyo had gohan trained since the Black arc ended in the mangaTai Lung wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:02 pm
it happened before ... why it wouldn't happen again?
if the case were that goku and vegeta are now stronger than gohan be anyway it would be the same ... goku and vegeta keep training but gohan doesn't do it anymore so they end up overcoming it
I really can't complain .... the character is just like that
You making up an issue that’s nowhere stated in this chapter
Nothing stated gohan regressed again in this chapter
Vegeta surpassed gohan back in the TOP when he achieved evolution
Goku as usual probably kept up
Gohan probably balance his shit with training and study given he ain’t looking like his ROF self
Anyway, if Goku and Vegeta managed to get over him, what changing what I am saying.?
Wait until next chapter
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I want to see him in action again xD.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:56 pm "Should we contact Yamcha?"
Fucking hell... I mean... why tease like that?
Oh and don't forget c-18/17,they could appear too.
p.s. gohan is the strongest on earth? That means that he is better than c-17? Mmm
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We can take it into account as Piccolo was the one who said it. If course, strength-wise Ultimate Gohan in the anime is vastly stronger too. What I mean is that Gohan in the manga doesn't have ultimate, does he? Still 17 is only thought to be superior for his prowess, his infinite stamina and the fact that he was the last man standing. MVP-17 san.Gt91 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:56 amI want to see him in action again xD.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:56 pm "Should we contact Yamcha?"
Fucking hell... I mean... why tease like that?
Oh and don't forget c-18/17,they could appear too.
p.s. gohan is the strongest on earth? That means that he is better than c-17? Mmm
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That idea, while it may seem thematic, was never touted as the way of UI. Merus clearly explained it last chapter.
Goku: "I gotta empty my heart and mind for that move to work, but when I'm fighting my emotions are all over the place."
Merus: "No, that's not it. Rage, grief, joy... those emotions can translate to enormous power. But the technique you're after is the opposite.
It will activate when you achieve self-control of a shock to your emotions. That's Ultra Instinct."
In a matter of life or death, Goku can likely experience the highest intensity of emotions, and when he brings them under control, that's when he'll achieve Ultra Instinct.
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I just wanna know who this Merus guy is. Since he knows so much about Ultra Instinct, someone must have taught him how to use it. And if he can’t actually use it, he knows how to achieve it. I also find it funny how Beerus bullshitted about there being a mortal stronger than Goku in U7, and we actually do have a mortal that’s possibly stronger than Goku he didn’t know about.
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Not only did he job out, but he also made mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake, the worst one being leaving all his friends unprotected on the lookout (half of which have no powers) to save Jaco when he knows at minimum Jaco was strong enough to survive a fight with Freeza soldiers so likely strong enough to survive a fall from the lookout. It was overall the most sloppy showing for Piccolo yet, but the deck was also stacked against him with 7-3's cornucopia of buffs. I was hoping after the last chapter that he'd stop making pointless errors, but Toyotaro and Toriyama doubled down on Piccolo being an idiot.
I mostly liked the chapter, but unfortunately it's solidified Piccolo as an idiot. Still, I'm glad to see other characters do something action oriented and even though he and Krillin got their asses kicked, I'm at least grateful they weren't one-shot. I also don't think this is the end for Piccolo in the arc, but man am I tired of him being saved by Gohan.
The Vegeta stuff at the end was funny. Quite enjoyed that. Hoping to see more from Gohan and Tenshinhan ... and maybe some Yamcha too, even though I know that is the new running gag in these team fights to mention but not use him.
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Yeah, 7-3 was super hacked. When they unveiled the infinite stamina, I knew Piccolo was going to lose because it's just too much. 7-3 just had too many buffs and wasn't reacting to any of his attacks (other than the headbutt). Though it made the fight more interesting at the start, Piccolo shouldn't have been so sloppy as to let his powers get copied right away. 7-3 should've went for Krillin first, he could've got solar flare, then it'd make more sense for him to get the drop on Piccolo so easily if he blinds him first.Yasai9001 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:30 pmPiccolo's fight here is very synonymous to his battle against Cyborg 17. The main reason why he was bound to lose that fight was due to the fact that 17 had infinite stamina.supersaiyanZero wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:00 pm I really wish Piccolo would stop being written like a little bitch.
With that said, do you expect Piccolo to face off with a guy who has knowledge on Piccolo's entire fighting style and is able to copy such for half an hour? On top of that, he has infinite durability and stamina. Oh, and Moro also powered up his minions with the use of his magic, so there's that as well.
Piccolo did his part and did so rather well, in fact.
Adam Blade from Needless comes to mind as he also copies other people's abilities with the jewel in his forehead and has insane base strength, though AB tends to headbutt people to steal their powers and keeps them permanently so he can mix and match what he gets.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:47 pm - OG73-I has a fun, if unoriginal gimmick. But it made the dynamic for his battle with Piccolo incredibly entertaining.
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I don't invent the dialogues .... he going from being the first to the third stronger, seems enough to me.Block88 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:29 amOnce again ur making up something that isn’t there we just saw gohan back in the chapter with nothing hinting him regressingTai Lung wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:58 pmthe increase in vegeta is relative because I doubt it was too high ..Block88 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:31 pm
After making a huge deal outta of it in the anime and manga not to mention Toyo had gohan trained since the Black arc ended in the manga
You making up an issue that’s nowhere stated in this chapter
Nothing stated gohan regressed again in this chapter
Vegeta surpassed gohan back in the TOP when he achieved evolution
Goku as usual probably kept up
Gohan probably balance his shit with training and study given he ain’t looking like his ROF self
Anyway, if Goku and Vegeta managed to get over him, what changing what I am saying.?
Wait until next chapter
It is simple everything about roshi and goku on the top arc never made sense if it is assumed that goku should not get the UI by own will ... and apparently it is already discarded.
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And nothing stated he was truly stronger than goku and vegeta Hell krillin comment in the saga indicated he wasn’t far above themTai Lung wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:38 pmI don't invent the dialogues .... he going from being the first to the third stronger, seems enough to me.
It is simple everything about roshi and goku on the top arc never made sense if it is assumed that goku should not get the UI by own will ... and apparently it is already discarded.
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As someone who's really invested in this character and painfully aware of how unfavorably he's been written, I don't see how this chapter was so bad for him. The only mistake he made was not being more careful with getting grabbed by the neck, which can be chalked up to 73 being faster than he suspected- he was distracted at the time.BWri wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:46 amNot only did he job out, but he also made mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake, the worst one being leaving all his friends unprotected on the lookout (half of which have no powers) to save Jaco when he knows at minimum Jaco was strong enough to survive a fight with Freeza soldiers so likely strong enough to survive a fall from the lookout. It was overall the most sloppy showing for Piccolo yet, but the deck was also stacked against him with 7-3's cornucopia of buffs. I was hoping after the last chapter that he'd stop making pointless errors, but Toyotaro and Toriyama doubled down on Piccolo being an idiot.
Also, he didn't abandon his friends, he went after Jaco because he thought he was in immediate danger of falling to his death, and two of the attackers followed them down- if anything, this drew danger away from the Lookout so it would've been worse if he went back up there . Guess he trusted Kuririn enough to handle one .
What exactly made you think he was written like an idiot.