I thought it's only his own ability that's permanent (the backup he left in 73), but not the one he copies from other fighters (like from Vegeta or Piccolo)
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I thought it's only his own ability that's permanent (the backup he left in 73), but not the one he copies from other fighters (like from Vegeta or Piccolo)
That's probably it. I'm personally exhausted as I just got off work so I might have misunderstood. But I also wouldn't doubt it to be the case either.
Not sure who you are apologizing too seeing as nobody here was involved in the making of the arc....
Zamasu Arc was pretty good until the last few episodes.Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:31 pmNot sure who you are apologizing too seeing as nobody here was involved in the making of the arc....
But every arc in Dragon Ball Super has been bad. In fact between Super, Heroes and GT, there hasn't actually been a good arc in Dragon Ball since the Kid Buu one.
I agree.experted_luke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:11 pm Well, I guess Merus was written to be the character that sacrifices himself/angel powers, instead of having Beerus intervene and destroying Moro for the threat he poses to his own Universe. It's nice to see someone to come to the rescue, for sure, but an Angel doing it before a God of Destruction? Sheesh.
Yeah, no. Its pretty explicitly clear that its only the abilities that 7-3 had already Copied when he ate him that became permanent. He said “Did I fail to mention that the abilities 7-3 copied are now mine forever without any pesky time limits”. If it was all of the abilities, he would have said all the abilities.TheNingen wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:43 am Am I the only one that thinks Moro's abilities he got from 73 now being permanent because reasons...is fucking dumb? I want to like the manga. And I've found Moro slowly growing on me. Not much, but moreso than he was. And I'm sorry to sound like a broken record, but this writing is seriously crap. Why is the copy ability no longer without time limit? Something that was never hinted at or alluded to that came with 73? Toyo is literally pulling threats out of his ass that had no set up or prior mention before just to make Moro more dangerous and I cannot ignore it at all.
Not really an achievement considering the series did in fact finish in 1995.Lord Frieza wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:42 pm [For all the problems the Black arc has, you can't deny that it has the best villain the franchise has seen in years.
Alright, I’ve seen people talk about his regeneration and he’s broken and harder to take down. Its really not. He can’t regenerate like Cell. Because he doesn’t have Cells abilities. He has Piccolos. And last I checked Piccolo Can’t Do that.Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:55 pm I agree with Lord Beerus mostly. Though seriously..
What the hell are the Z fighters supposed to do at this point? Moro is so damn OP that they can barley graze him without the bastard regenerating. He's basically Perfect Cell with magic at this point, how the fuck are they supposed to kill him? Vegeta will get smacked trying to defuse him, Goku isn't going to do much better, hell the only hope Goku has is triggering MUI at the last minute again and that's always a wildcard. The Upper B tier fighters are fucked, they'll just get annihilated trying to fight Moro.
That's just it though, he's been portrayed incredibly strong in the manga (as well as the anime) so it's really the point that he, along with everyone else, aren't able to do anything. Toyotarou tends to favor him along with Vegeta though, so it's no surprise he got a lot of panel time.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:41 pm Random and scattered thoughts of Chapter 62:
- Gohan trying in vain to cause some damage to Moro, only for Moro not only no sell it, but to quickly dispatch Gohan akin to swatting down a fly with a rolled up newspaper, made laugh far more than it should have. I can't help but feel if Gohan felt like more of a crucial character in the plot of Super in general, or was perhaps portrayed as far stronger than we know him in the manga, that moment would had more dramatic gravitas. Oh well.
Zamasu and MAYBE Freeza aside, which Dragon Ball Villain wasn't like that? I ask because we can go over a list of who our favorite villains are in the series and for what ever reasons we have for liking said villain, "Motive" isn't at the forefront since most of em are just bad dudes who like to flex their muscles because they can. Which isn't a bad thing, because whats most important is how a villain acts around the other characters and not so much why he's after what he/she is after.
A lot of people enjoy Super, even though I don't very much, so I try to remember to be courteous about that.Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:31 pm Not sure who you are apologizing too seeing as nobody here was involved in the making of the arc....
Eh. BOG was okay. U6 tournament was okay. Most of the anime filler/breather stuff ranges from good to great. Black arc had some good parts, and probably would have been a pretty solid thing in general if the ending hadn't sucked.Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:31 pm But every arc in Dragon Ball Super has been bad. In fact between Super, Heroes and GT, there hasn't actually been a good arc in Dragon Ball since the Kid Buu one.
Even before the end, the arc was a bit slow and messy, Trunks being on the level he's on makes no sense, Beers and Whis are clunkily handled, the Mafuba is made far less interesting and ultimately wasted, Vegetto is similarly wasted, and "Evil Goku" is an inherently stupid concept that ultimately amounted to nothing in the story; it would be a far less convoluted version of the same story if you take out the "Who is Black?" mystery entirely, have it be Zamas from the word go, and have the messing around about that in the present more revolve around the gang wanting to deal with him in their timeline, which Beers kindly does when they realise his ill intentions. But then of course, you don't get Evil Goku or a new colour of hair for Saiyans... -_-superfan2024 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:40 pm Zamasu Arc was pretty good until the last few episodes.
I mean, Freeza IS like that. But it works, because that arc doesn't need anything deeper. The Freeza arc isn't about Freeza, it's about Namek, it's about Vegeta, it's about the struggle for the balls between three factions, it's about Kuririn, Gohan, and Bulma being hopelessly overpowered in this crazy situation, it's about Goku continuing his journey into his Saiyan heritage, etc. Freeza is arguably the least-interesting thing going on in that story, he just needs to be a big, moustache-twirler we can root against. The final boss that the heroes fight at the end after dealing with all the henchmen and at the end of their character arcs in the main story. So, he is that, and it works very well.goku the krump dancer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:09 pmZamasu and MAYBE Freeza aside, which Dragon Ball Villain wasn't like that?
Motive isn't all there is to a character. Tenshinhan did have a motive in the 22nd Tenkaichi, to avenge his hero, Tao, but his motive isn't why he's interesting (you can have a great motive and still be a shit character; see Baby), he's interesting because he's a multidimensional character who goes through an emotional journey in the story, and through that journey, we gain insight into who he is, which is what makes him a deep character (again, people who live in J.K. Rowling land will often say "well this character has a lot of depth! you just don't see it in this story!", but again, if that depth isn't explored in the story in question, then it doesn't exist in that story).goku the krump dancer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:09 pm I ask because we can go over a list of who our favorite villains are in the series and for what ever reasons we have for liking said villain, "Motive" isn't at the forefront since most of em are just bad dudes who like to flex their muscles because they can. Which isn't a bad thing, because whats most important is how a villain acts around the other characters and not so much why he's after what he/she is after.
Maybe if all the Z fighters attack him together? 17, 18, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Krillin, Yamcha, etc.Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:55 pm I agree with Lord Beerus mostly. Though seriously..
What the hell are the Z fighters supposed to do at this point? Moro is so damn OP that they can barley graze him without the bastard regenerating. He's basically Perfect Cell with magic at this point, how the fuck are they supposed to kill him? Vegeta will get smacked trying to defuse him, Goku isn't going to do much better, hell the only hope Goku has is triggering MUI at the last minute again and that's always a wildcard. The Upper B tier fighters are fucked, they'll just get annihilated trying to fight Moro.
Merus is more than likely a distraction, most likely to buy time for the cast to their HP up to max, but I fail to see how anyone other than Merus or Beerus is doing shit to him. Beerus might as well join the fight at some point, because if Merus is on earth, Beerus is too. And if I have the feeling that Merus serving as a distraction was Whis's idea, this might be a plan to try and give the Z fighters assistance for a final stand.
I feel if Moro is that much of a bitch to kill, Beerus will enter the ring when Merus feels obligated to use his full power at Whis's urged discretion(Merus dying will be on Whis after all and he doesn't want to be taking the brunt of the Grand Priest's wrath).