More surviving saiyans in Super?

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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by soulnova » Sat May 23, 2015 8:57 pm

FoolsGil wrote:Gure and Tarble have a kid? Sure. Random Saiyans out of the wood work? I'd rather not.
I'm worried of how would that end up looking like.
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by Scott » Sun May 24, 2015 1:16 am

FortuneSSJ wrote:My idea for Original Super Saiyan God was to have him connected to Vegeta's family. An Ancestor.
He would be the reason why Vegeta's family became royalty.

They always make Bardock badass but everytime we get a flashback about King vegeta, filler or not, he's just getting owned.
Either by Freeza or Beerus.
It would make sense in a way. Vegeta was always annoyed that Goku was ahead of him and thought that because he is the Prince of all Saiyans he should be the one to have that power. I always wondered why Vegeta thought he was so special really. I mean, being Prince is just a title, it doesn't really mean anything. Unless he is connected to the most powerful Saiyans i don't really see why he thinks he should be better than any other Saiyan.

Saying that though, i'm not sure i want to see anymore Saiyan's. Saiyans have been over done in Dragon Ball as it is.

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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by Marco Polo » Sun May 24, 2015 7:28 am

soulnova wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:Gure and Tarble have a kid? Sure. Random Saiyans out of the wood work? I'd rather not.
I'm worried of how would that end up looking like.
Can't look worse than Marron, to be honest.

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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by Akyon » Sun May 24, 2015 8:17 am

Eire wrote:
...Would totally be on board for a little half-Saiyan half-whatever Gure is, though. It would be tiny and hilarious and perfectly Dragon Ball.
It would be sick as hell, because (unless they run into Abh or something) it would imply that he had his way with Hello Kitty's bastard sister. And that's so wrong. :( :x
Well, I mean...they ARE confirmed married...which already implies that. I mean either way he's doing it, you may as well have a hilarious character design out of the peculiar pairing.
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by Eire » Sun May 24, 2015 8:45 am

Nothing is implied, sexless marriages were a thing in lots of real and fictional cultures, so let it be that way. Tarable is alredy so pitiful that you don't have to make a pervert out of him.
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by Marco Polo » Sun May 24, 2015 9:34 am

Eire wrote:sexless marriages were a thing in lots of real and fictional cultures
How many of them were in the DB universe?

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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Sun May 24, 2015 9:40 am

Didn't Whis confirm the number of surviving Saiya-jins in BoG?

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun May 24, 2015 9:46 am

UpFromTheSkies wrote:Didn't Whis confirm the number of surviving Saiya-jins in BoG?
That wouldn't stop there from being more of them if that's what they wanted for the show. Toriyama just outright told everyone in Volume "F" that it's not even about forgetting, as the original author he can change things as he desires.
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun May 24, 2015 11:35 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Toriyama just outright told everyone in Volume "F" that it's not even about forgetting, as the original author he can change things as he desires.
Is there a link to that?!
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by Akyon » Sun May 24, 2015 12:59 pm

Eire wrote:Nothing is implied, sexless marriages were a thing in lots of real and fictional cultures, so let it be that way. Tarable is alredy so pitiful that you don't have to make a pervert out of him.
Tarble wanting to raise a child with the woman he loves makes him a pervert? That's idiotic.

Vegeta, Goku and Krillin all confirmed for perverts.

Master Roshi and Oolong who haven't reproduced or got married confirmed for prudes.

Seriously; how would wanting to have a child with the woman he loves make Tarble a pervert?
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by soulnova » Sun May 24, 2015 1:04 pm

Eire wrote:Nothing is implied, sexless marriages were a thing in lots of real and fictional cultures, so let it be that way. Tarable is alredy so pitiful that you don't have to make a pervert out of him.
It is implied Tarble grew up with them and even already married Gure, so he loves her. I really don't see how he would be a pervert. :eh:
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sun May 24, 2015 1:15 pm

emperior wrote:Would be cool to meet the original Super Saiyan God, and having him stronger than Whis because he has trained for many many years since his death. Would also be cool to see his comrades, as those were strong warriors and pure-hearted ones so I don't see why they shouldn't have kept their bodies in afterlife. Would be awesome if they told Goku and Vegeta the origins of the Saiyan race, and more to their story.
But don't bring back surviving saiyans because it would make Goku and Vegeta less special and also all of Freeza's saga pretty much stupid.
They wouldnt have to bring him back for any reason. I'd say it would make more sense to just use the Time Machine to teleport to that age for the present day Sayians to see it, they can explore the culture and everything there - without needing more asspulls or worsen the Super Saiyan infestation. If anything a new broken timeline plot could even be initicated. Freeza and Beerus would also still be at the same power there too.
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by SSJ Human » Sun May 24, 2015 2:46 pm

I'd like a female Saiyan. I kind of always felt not having one was due to males being the fighters for the most part.

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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by Rukura » Sun May 24, 2015 2:49 pm

SSJ Human wrote:I'd like a female Saiyan. I kind of always felt not having one was due to males being the fighters for the most part.
If only we had one (or two) to work with, in a post-Z scenario, right.
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by SSJ Human » Sun May 24, 2015 3:23 pm

Rukura wrote:
SSJ Human wrote:I'd like a female Saiyan. I kind of always felt not having one was due to males being the fighters for the most part.
If only we had one (or two) to work with, in a post-Z scenario, right.
That's what I'm saying. I think part of Toriyama's reluctance could be due to the fact that he would have to come up with some explanation for where they had been all this time.

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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by Cetra » Sun May 24, 2015 3:43 pm

SSJ Human wrote:
Rukura wrote:
SSJ Human wrote:I'd like a female Saiyan. I kind of always felt not having one was due to males being the fighters for the most part.
If only we had one (or two) to work with, in a post-Z scenario, right.
That's what I'm saying. I think part of Toriyama's reluctance could be due to the fact that he would have to come up with some explanation for where they had been all this time.
That was sarcasm. He means Pan and Bra. At least it looks like that to me.
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by Rukura » Mon May 25, 2015 8:35 am

Cetra wrote:
SSJ Human wrote:
Rukura wrote: If only we had one (or two) to work with, in a post-Z scenario, right.
That's what I'm saying. I think part of Toriyama's reluctance could be due to the fact that he would have to come up with some explanation for where they had been all this time.
That was sarcasm. He means Pan and Bra. At least it looks like that to me.
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by emperior » Mon May 25, 2015 8:39 am

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
emperior wrote:Would be cool to meet the original Super Saiyan God, and having him stronger than Whis because he has trained for many many years since his death. Would also be cool to see his comrades, as those were strong warriors and pure-hearted ones so I don't see why they shouldn't have kept their bodies in afterlife. Would be awesome if they told Goku and Vegeta the origins of the Saiyan race, and more to their story.
But don't bring back surviving saiyans because it would make Goku and Vegeta less special and also all of Freeza's saga pretty much stupid.
They wouldnt have to bring him back for any reason. I'd say it would make more sense to just use the Time Machine to teleport to that age for the present day Sayians to see it, they can explore the culture and everything there - without needing more asspulls or worsen the Super Saiyan infestation. If anything a new broken timeline plot could even be initicated. Freeza and Beerus would also still be at the same power there too.

I think that with Jaco being part of the cast they won't be allowed to use a time machine.
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by Rukura » Mon May 25, 2015 9:30 am

emperior wrote:I think that with Jaco being part of the cast they won't be allowed to use a time machine.
Jaco would probably have to reluctantly go along with it, pretending to be trying to stop them, realizing he's way out of his league to actually stop them.
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Re: More surviving saiyans in Super?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon May 25, 2015 10:00 pm

I actually wouldn't mind if we got a female saiyan if she followed these rules
-She only about as strong as Buu saga Goku
-First arc would be her trying to mate with Goku and Vegeta and the other two have to explain why they are not viable mates to her.
- The. first villain could be following her and she has been fighting the villain's forces
-It is later revealed that the female saiyan is from another of the universes Beerus mentioned which is why the new main villain is a match for Goku and Vegeta, new bad guy is a God of Destruction.
-Finally to replace the idea of Broly it is revealed that she is a Legendary SSJ. Legendary SSJ in canon simply means you have an easier time ascended at young ages which is how she reached SSJ3 without dying,

-And because why not why not let her marry Yamacha?

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