Sadala Elite wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:25 am
Miracles wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:03 pm
Sadala Elite wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:50 pm
They seriously need to stop making Beerus a moving goalpost. It contributes to the rather stale feeling of most of Super. It would be hella lame if they later reveal him to above MUI Goku and SSB Gogeta.
It wouldn't be lame because that would be keeping the story's plot consistent. In BoG, Goku made a wager with Beerus. If he beat the destroyer, earth would be saved. So instead, Goku loses to Beerus. Which Toriyama stated himself;
Goku's defeat was out of respect for Beerus and to give Goku a goal to shoot towards in the future
. So, the consequences for being defeated was the obliteration of earth. However, Beerus stated that he would smash earth another time and told Goku to get stronger in order to have another showdown.
Add on to the fact how the plot confirmed at the end of the movie [more than once throughout the series too] that Goku will become
an arch rival
for Beerus. This narration for our protagonist never changed. The intrigue never said that Goku is a
formidable opponent for Beerus ever
in the story. Since the plot already established that both are going to fight again
. This is what plot has been steadily building up to, Goku facing Beerus a second time around
Dragonball is a story first, it isn't some fanfic comic, where it's emphasis is on "feats." Victory belts aren't defined by lifting/blowing up heavy objects. The story simply denying an arm wrestling contest as a standard for stronger fighter is proof of that. It's about how is the next, "always"
strongest bad guy going to make our power hungry hero the strongest. DB has themes, a certain point it wants to reach, which builds our characters. It certainly does not bend itself to the fans desires or selective reading. The quicker people stop looking at DB solely as a power level spreadsheet the clearer they can see the scheme it is trying to accomplish.
Beerus hasn't offered anything of narrative worth after Battle of Gods. He's been a borderline nothing character since RoF, plays zero role in any of the (little) character growth that Goku or Vegeta get in Super, let alone power growth, and he and Whis generally ruin the tension of any plot (except the ToP arc) just by being around.
Absolutely nothing since RoF implies Goku and Beerus are gonna get a major rematch, so you are just projecting. Making Beerus a moving goalposts only adds to the problem. Its simply bad writing.
And the worst thing is, Beerus has little-to-no on screen proof of being stronger than even UI Omen Goku, let alone Broly, Jiren, SSB Fusion and MUI Goku. Actions speak louder than words (show don't tell), thats why feats matter.
The story did show us through TELLING that Goku is NOT an "arch rival" for Beerus yet. The plot can't even tell us if Broly, a character, who fought a full power Blue fusion Gogeta is stronger than Beerus. So all those so called "feats," you imagine, mean nothing when the current plot
is holding Beerus up STILL as the benchmark for Goku.
I also have to chuckle at your statement about Beerus bringing no story importance. The one who introduced Goku to a new world with the god forms? Who allowed Whis to train Goku, so they could fight again for his growth? Who introduced Goku to other fighters from U6 through holding a tournament with Champa? Finally, who is still on Goku's radar, despite facing the current strongest Broly?
All this is leading back to what was stated in BoG. Where Goku said he will fight Beerus again. In RoF, where Whis made mention that Goku and Vegeta might have a chance against Beerus, if they fought him at the same time. In U6, Goku; stated, he was going to use Blue KK for Beerus, in the manga, the oracle fish reiterated again to Beerus how they will be formidable foes
before the TOP arc. Now the Broly movie, Beerus is used again, as a goalpost. Which all confirms how Toriyama stated, in an interview, that Beerus is a goal Goku shoots for from the beginning.
Instead of falsely accusing the story of not being straight up about it's plan, pretending it's deceiving the audience, why not reread all mediums and Toriyama interviews on the subject. Just cause you don't like where the story is headed doesn't take away from the truth of the plot.