Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
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Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
Back before BoG, Ro'F', and Super was ever conceived, Dragon Ball Z ended with Goku being extremely excited to meet and train Uub, as he has been "waiting many years for a strong opponent" like Uub to fight and spar with. But the thing is, Goku has already met an opponent that was way stronger than himself after Buu's death, and that's Beerus. Heck, Whis is even more powerful, and not to mention, we have Toppo coming up and we can assume he's going to be a major threat for Goku later down this arc. There are also many strong fighters from across the universes as well.
Now, i'm not saying this is a problem, but imo it just doesn't make as much sense as for why Goku would be this happy for Uub. Maybe Goku just wanted to train him because he felt he had great potential? Who knows.
And I know some of you guys might say stuff like "oh, Uub is still a strong opponent so Goku, so there should be no reason why Goku wouldn't be happy," but I get it. It's just that Goku has been fighting with gods during the 10 year time skip, so it just didn't make as much sense as for why Goku was this excited for meeting and training Uub.
Like I said, Goku can be excited, but again, it just felt weird to see him this excited, even when Goku is now leagues above Buu's power back in the Buu saga.
Now, i'm not saying this is a problem, but imo it just doesn't make as much sense as for why Goku would be this happy for Uub. Maybe Goku just wanted to train him because he felt he had great potential? Who knows.
And I know some of you guys might say stuff like "oh, Uub is still a strong opponent so Goku, so there should be no reason why Goku wouldn't be happy," but I get it. It's just that Goku has been fighting with gods during the 10 year time skip, so it just didn't make as much sense as for why Goku was this excited for meeting and training Uub.
Like I said, Goku can be excited, but again, it just felt weird to see him this excited, even when Goku is now leagues above Buu's power back in the Buu saga.
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Frieza is originally SSJ1 tier. Trained and became a powerhouse.
And Mr. Buu sleeps a lot but is still talked about being strong.
Uub not only received the majority of Buu's power but he was also willing to train and become stronger. It would still make sense for Goku to want him trained.
Goku probably imagines a growth similar to that of Frieza on someone who was originally a SSJ3 tier fighter.
And he also enjoys fighting strong opponents, regardless of who he's faced before.
Otherwise with Beerus around, He wouldn't have felt the urge to fight in the U6 tournament or even Goku Black given that Beerus is stronger than them all.
And Mr. Buu sleeps a lot but is still talked about being strong.
Uub not only received the majority of Buu's power but he was also willing to train and become stronger. It would still make sense for Goku to want him trained.
Goku probably imagines a growth similar to that of Frieza on someone who was originally a SSJ3 tier fighter.
And he also enjoys fighting strong opponents, regardless of who he's faced before.
Otherwise with Beerus around, He wouldn't have felt the urge to fight in the U6 tournament or even Goku Black given that Beerus is stronger than them all.
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Re: Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
It doesn't make much sense cause all the events starting with Beerus weren't around when the ending was written. Although the ending will be kept, I think multiple things will change to fit it into the events that are currently taking place.
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Re: Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
LOL, what? Goku training Uub now makes MORE SENSE than it ever did when DBZ ended.
Now it makes sense that Goku would want to train a new strong earthling who has the power of Kid Buu and can get theoretically much stronger. He's also probably training him for the next tournament when they use the last 4 universes held over in a future arc. I find it baffling some of you don't realize this, this is all common sense.
Now it makes sense that Goku would want to train a new strong earthling who has the power of Kid Buu and can get theoretically much stronger. He's also probably training him for the next tournament when they use the last 4 universes held over in a future arc. I find it baffling some of you don't realize this, this is all common sense.
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I doubt Uub will get that early of a showingprecita wrote:LOL, what? Goku training Uub now makes MORE SENSE than it ever did when DBZ ended.
Now it makes sense that Goku would want to train a new strong earthling who has the power of Kid Buu and can get theoretically much stronger. He's also probably training him for the next tournament when they use the last 4 universes held over in a future arc. I find it baffling some of you don't realize this, this is all common sense.
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Re: Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
Goku is excited about Oob's potential and in grooming him to become a powerful fighter to satisfy his need for fighting in a non-destructive way.
Within the context of the original run alone, Goku's actions and overall negligence in dealing with Boo, which lead to the situation escalating to outrageous levels, alongside being effectively forced to kill him due to Boo's unreasonable nature are what caused him to look for Oob as that healthy outlet for his lust for battle. With post-BoG content simply being too big to hand wave, his decision to calm down will obviously need to be re-contextualized somewhat. The Tournament of Power, and Goku's actions in context with it, is certainly a step in the direction Mr. Toriyama originally left the character originally, so we'll see what else he has in store before the 28th Budokai.
Within the context of the original run alone, Goku's actions and overall negligence in dealing with Boo, which lead to the situation escalating to outrageous levels, alongside being effectively forced to kill him due to Boo's unreasonable nature are what caused him to look for Oob as that healthy outlet for his lust for battle. With post-BoG content simply being too big to hand wave, his decision to calm down will obviously need to be re-contextualized somewhat. The Tournament of Power, and Goku's actions in context with it, is certainly a step in the direction Mr. Toriyama originally left the character originally, so we'll see what else he has in store before the 28th Budokai.
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Re: Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
I was watching EoZ when Buu Kai was wrapping up in June, nothing stood out to me bar a few lines that needed tweaking, for the whole EoZ fit well to me.
Besides in the original Manga the 10 year gap between End of Buu and EoZ are we has the reader supposed to believe that Goku never improved and stagnated at where he was at the End of Buu? No, it's Goku of course he would have improved 10 years is a long time afterall. Only difference now is we're seeing that improvement.
Besides in the original Manga the 10 year gap between End of Buu and EoZ are we has the reader supposed to believe that Goku never improved and stagnated at where he was at the End of Buu? No, it's Goku of course he would have improved 10 years is a long time afterall. Only difference now is we're seeing that improvement.
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Goku was born with a relatively low powerlevel, and now look at him. Uub was born with a powerlevel of the Majins. I think he can probably go to unknown heights. Like Frieza who was once just SSJ1 and now he's a God. Could you imagine a Majin God Character. Uub will probably reunite with Mr. Buu.
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They're most likely gonna make Uub God tier, it's the only way it'll make sense. If they don't Uub's gonna get trashed as soon as he's introduced.
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Re: Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
If Super can readily devise opponents that our Fat Buu can tussle with, a kid with the potential to match and surpass Kid Buu is a worthwhile investment regardless.
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Re: Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
OP is mainly talking about whether Goku has lacked for strong opponents leading up to Uub, not Uub's power.
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Re: Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
If we use DBZ logic, it makes sense Goku was excited to fight Uub because Kid Buu was theoretically his toughest fight prior to meeting his counterpart, and he wanted a rematch without risking the fate of the universe. That's Goku for you; he always craves a new challenge.
If we use Super logic, the above still applies, only here, anyone can pretty much wank off for 2 hours and become SSJ3-tier. It will only take Uub a week to become as strong as a god of destruction and give Goku his challenge before he is relegated to the background and Goku hogs the spotlight again. It does not matter that Goku has faced opponents like Beerus, Golden Frieza, Toppo, Jiren, Black, and so on. Uub will give him a challenge if the writers want this to be the case. No logic will be applied. It will just happen.
If we use Super logic, the above still applies, only here, anyone can pretty much wank off for 2 hours and become SSJ3-tier. It will only take Uub a week to become as strong as a god of destruction and give Goku his challenge before he is relegated to the background and Goku hogs the spotlight again. It does not matter that Goku has faced opponents like Beerus, Golden Frieza, Toppo, Jiren, Black, and so on. Uub will give him a challenge if the writers want this to be the case. No logic will be applied. It will just happen.
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Re: Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
The prospect of fighting Oob is still much a believable and tangible prospect given that an earthling such as Oob, to have a insane amount of hidden potential as he would have, is very remarkable given any context of the previous types of fighters that Goku may have already come across.
Plus, Goku is just the type of character who just likes a challenge. So even he's become super strong, he will still welcome all those who show a great prospect in battle. Regardless of the gap in strength.
Plus, Goku is just the type of character who just likes a challenge. So even he's become super strong, he will still welcome all those who show a great prospect in battle. Regardless of the gap in strength.
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If Uub is already as strong as Kid Buu or a SSJ3, with training he'll easily achieve god like power and be on the level of Super Saiyan Blue. Look at what they did with 17.
This isn't rocket science. I find it mind blowing that people don't understand why Goku would train Uub now after Super's stories.
This isn't rocket science. I find it mind blowing that people don't understand why Goku would train Uub now after Super's stories.
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What are you chatting about? I literally said in the OP that I know some of you might claim that Goku should still be exicted for a strong opponent, especially someone just like Uub. I am trying to say that before all this god stuff was introduced, most people thought that Goku was very excited because he was going to fight with someone as strong as Uub, since Majin Buu was Goku's strongest opponent at the time. But the thing is, in between the 10 year gap he has already fought and trainned with gods. Goku can obviously still be happy, but him being this happy for Uub doesn't have the same effect for the audience as it was before BoG, Ro'F', and Super were introduced, because the audience didn't know if Goku had fought someone as strong or even stronger than Uub during the 10 year gap.precita wrote:LOL, what? Goku training Uub now makes MORE SENSE than it ever did when DBZ ended.
Now it makes sense that Goku would want to train a new strong earthling who has the power of Kid Buu and can get theoretically much stronger. He's also probably training him for the next tournament when they use the last 4 universes held over in a future arc. I find it baffling some of you don't realize this, this is all common sense.
Once again, just to make it clear, Goku still has all the right to be happy to train and fight Uub. It's just that back then, we were to assume that Goku hadn't fought someone as strong or stronger than Majin Buu/Uub yet during the gap.
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Re: Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
In a logical world, Oob should be forgotten about entirely by Goku but since we live in Super world, I expect Kid Boo's reincarnation to be more powerful then a Potara fusion of two Grand Priests after he jerks off for about 10 minutes after discovering porn hub one afternoon.
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Re: Goku's excitement to meet and train Uub is starting make a little less sense
Oh boy, try to understand that i'm not talking about Goku's reasoning for training Uub, i'm talking about Goku's reasoning for being so excited to train him or his excitement in general.precita wrote:If Uub is already as strong as Kid Buu or a SSJ3, with training he'll easily achieve god like power and be on the level of Super Saiyan Blue. Look at what they did with 17.
This isn't rocket science. I find it mind blowing that people don't understand why Goku would train Uub now after Super's stories.
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Goku being excited to train a reincarnation of Kid Buu when he has met god power level beings already in Super and people questioning it is totally rational I would hardly consider it 'mind-blowing' that people would question it. I would too, actually. Regardless if Uub has high potential or whatever, Goku has already met beings that Uub could not possibly match up like Grand Priest already.precita wrote:If Uub is already as strong as Kid Buu or a SSJ3, with training he'll easily achieve god like power and be on the level of Super Saiyan Blue. Look at what they did with 17.
This isn't rocket science. I find it mind blowing that people don't understand why Goku would train Uub now after Super's stories.
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This.gofishus wrote:Goku being excited to train a reincarnation of Kid Buu when he has met god power level beings already in Super and people questioning it is totally rational I would hardly consider it 'mind-blowing' that people would question it. I would too, actually. Regardless if Uub has high potential or whatever, Goku has already met beings that Uub could not possibly match up like Grand Priest already.precita wrote:If Uub is already as strong as Kid Buu or a SSJ3, with training he'll easily achieve god like power and be on the level of Super Saiyan Blue. Look at what they did with 17.
This isn't rocket science. I find it mind blowing that people don't understand why Goku would train Uub now after Super's stories.
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What? Goku has brought Krillin, Tenshinhan and even Roshi into a tournament for the fate of the universe. And you're questioning why he would want to train Uub, a character at Kid Buu/SSJ3 level already?
What point are you people making? Goku is already recruiting far weaker characters to fight with him, so why on earth would he not be excited about training Uub? I don't understand this logic. By that logic why did he invite the humans to the tournament instead of figuring they're too weak?
What point are you people making? Goku is already recruiting far weaker characters to fight with him, so why on earth would he not be excited about training Uub? I don't understand this logic. By that logic why did he invite the humans to the tournament instead of figuring they're too weak?