Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[jeffbr92]

So who wanna bet that this movie will end in the most obvious way possible?

- Brief story of the Saiyans
- Freeza finds Broly
- Paragus and Broly join Freeza
- Goku and Vegeta comes to fight them
- Broly overpowers everyone
- Goku uses UI to win the battle
- THE END

[Dbzfan94]

Will we get a second trailer?

Yeah we’ll definitely get a second trailer. Probably somewhere around October or November.

Oh that's make me relieved.

The whole point of Minus was to show the circumstances that led to Goku being sent away to Earth, which is something that directly ties to Jaco's series (hence why it's part of it) and by extension, Dragon Ball.

That its purpose and that what Toriyama set out to do. People are entitled not to like it, but to judge it as if it should be something else entirely, have a (dramatic) story arc, or be something akin to the TV special like a story about Bardock or his last stand against Freeza, is unfair. That wasn't the point of it. If anything, it leaves room for that story to be told later on as he sees fit, which is a bonus. I hope he takes that opportunity with this movie since I find the title character to be the least exciting thing about it.

[spoiler]Sigh. It's been four years, and this whole "your expectations were wrong" argument is getting really tiresome. I certainly had no expectations or desire for it to be the Bardock Special. That's a little gem I've had to refute for far too long. My only expectation was that it be good. That it tell an engaging story. Those are not overblown expectations. That's the bare minimum to expect of any work of fiction. And if that's become too high a standard, then our standards as Dragon Ball fans have become embarrassingly low. Because when I see people describe why they like Minus, it's usually written this way: "Well, yeah, it wasn't that great, but, man, we got to see Goku's mom, and that makes it totally worth it!" All Toriyama had to do was throw out that design, and some people just ate it up. That's not a story. That's fanservice. And we don't spend enough time with Goku's mom (or his dad for that matter) to understand who she is beyond the one superficial trait that she's peaceful. That's not a character. That's a piece of trivia.

And, well, here I am going down the rabbit hole again, and I'm not even sure why because I'm pretty sure you and I have had this discussion before. But I will admit I had one more expectation: that, as a prequel, this not screw anything up that came before. And it couldn't even manage to do that. And, no, I'm not talking about contradicting the Bardock special or little naked baby Goku. In fact, I'm just going to pull from my Dragon Ball Dissection script because I've enumerated this point too many times in the past to write it out again, and because, for anyone reading this the first time, I don't want to risk screwing it up in my haste:

"But what really makes Dragon Ball Minus such a disgrace in my eyes is because of this exchange right here. Before they start fighting, Vegeta tries to rattle Goku by comparing their statuses in Saiyan society, saying that Goku should feel privileged to get to fight an elite, and that the whole reason Goku was sent to earth in the first place is because Saiyans are tested for combat aptitude at birth, and those with no promise are sent to subjugate weak planets like this one. However, Goku is unfazed by this insult. In fact, he says he's glad to have been considered trash because that was what allowed him to escape those very limitations his society had placed upon him. It taught him that hard work is more important than social status or a fate placed on him while he's still an infant.

Goku's journey this arc, aside from running back and forth along a boring snake, ties into finding out who he is. And it's nothing good. His native species are terrible people. His brother kidnaps his son. His other remaining kinsmen kill his friends. He's saved the world, but he was actually sent here to destroy it, and it was only through a lucky chance that that wasn't exactly what ended up happening. But that's exactly who Goku is. He's one of them. Except that he's not. Even as far back as his birth, his people rejected him, labeled him as nearly worthless, and shipped him off to do the only thing they judged him capable of doing. And that's the beautiful irony of it all. If they hadn't judged him to be inferior, he probably would have met the same fate as the rest of them and died. He certainly would never have saved earth and proven himself worthy to train under gods. Only because his fellow Saiyans concluded he had no potential did he manage to achieve it. And now he is face to face with the personification of that bigotry, and he is about to show him exactly what a low-born castoff can do and just how wrong they were about him. That despite their aspersions on him, he can be better than all of them. Unless of course you believe Dragon Ball Minus where his parents love him so much that they send him to earth so he can thrive, which is exactly what he ends up doing. Yawn. Toriyama admittedly flies by the seat of his pants, but I can't think of a greater example of where he seemingly came upon an amazing plot and character thread so serendipitously that he had no idea he did it and so never realized he was gleefully backing over it with a truck."

So it's bad enough that Dragon Ball Minus doesn't tell a story, doesn't include any real characters, and wastes a quarter of its already limited space dangling shiny things in front of the faces of its audience in the hopes of distracting them from noticing the lack of story and characters. But the fact that it tramples over perhaps the most beautiful thematic underpinnings Dragon Ball has ever presented in favor of a half-baked Superman ripoff that isn't even interesting in and of itself is its ultimate insult. The contrast between Goku and Vegeta forms the bedrock of their rivalry, which continues to be one of the most important aspects of the franchise to this day. And that conversation between them, before they take their iconic fighting stances, is what sets that in motion, what lays out that contrast. Dragon Ball Minus does not entirely destroy that premise. But it does damage it. Go ahead. Go back to the Saiyan Arc. Re-read what Vegeta says. And I already know what you're going to say: "Vegeta wasn't there. He doesn't know the real story. That's not a plot hole. Continuity is preserved." That's not the point. That's not what's important. What Vegeta says carries emotional weight. If you're having to keep a variation of the above quote in your head while you're reading that scene, you're having to dismiss what Vegeta says as incorrect. And because you're having to handwave it away as unimportant inaccuracies that aren't technically a plothole, those words are no longer resonating! They're being dismissed. They're being ignored. Their ramifications are being lost. Because Dragon Ball Minus told you they're not true. They're not worth taking seriously. And for what? Because we got to see Goku's mom. Whoopty-flippin-do.

And, just to throw a guess out here, this is probably a non-issue. I could be completely wrong, but I don't think Minus is going to play any significant role in this movie. If I had to lay it on the table right now, with admittedly very little information, I'd say you just see flashes of moments from Minus, in some kind of flashback or something. While it might tie into some kind of contrast between Goku's story and Broli's story, I doubt it will be expanded on significantly. And that's not even wishful thinking on my part. Unless expanding on Dragon Ball Minus manages to screw up another plot or thematic device from classic Dragon Ball, there is really nowhere it can go but up. They can't make Dragon Ball Minus worse than it already is. As part of a brief flashback in service to another story, that material could actually work a bit better than it does as a standalone. And, if they actually do expand on it, well, then, maybe it will finally become a story. Those are all good things in my mind.[/spoiler]

Don't know how can anyone still defend Minus after this whole essay, that chapter was the most lame stuff to come out from DB.

Yeah this response was brilliant and exactly why I don’t like Minus. Seeing Gokus mom was cool but wasn’t enough to save the dumpster fire shit Toriyama took on his own previous work while drawing it

[RedHeat]

So who wanna bet that this movie will end in the most obvious way possible?

- Brief story of the Saiyans
- Freeza finds Broly
- Paragus and Broly join Freeza
- Goku and Vegeta comes to fight them
- Broly overpowers everyone
- Goku uses UI to win the battle
- THE END

Sounds good to me.

[superfan2024]

So who wanna bet that this movie will end in the most obvious way possible?

- Brief story of the Saiyans
- Freeza finds Broly
- Paragus and Broly join Freeza
- Goku and Vegeta comes to fight them
- Broly overpowers everyone
- Goku uses UI to win the battle
- THE END

No matter how obvious some DB plots may be, there’s always a twist at the end of almost every single arc that not many people in the fandom can actually predict.

Starting from Z...

- Saiyan Arc’s twist was basically just the buildup for Namek and Goku letting Vegeta retreat.

- Namek Arc’s twist was Goku supposedly “dying.”

- Android Arc’s twist was Goku actually dying this time lol.

- Boo Arc’s twist was Boo being reincarnated.

- Battle of Gods Arc’s twist was Beerus revealing all the universes and setting the lore for the rest of Super.

- I don’t really think Reaurrection ‘F’ Arc had a twist, but it made Freeza’s return and actions in the Universal Survival Arc more natural ig.

- Champa Arc’s twist was Zeno appearing and the setup for the US Arc. Monaka being the one who won the tournament could also be a twist if you want.

- Future Trunks Arc’s twist was Trunks and Mai returning to a past with duplicates of themselves.

- And lastly, the Universal Survival Arc’s twist was Freeza being brought back to life and regaining his crew once again.

[uncutpokemon]

I just did some calculations regarding the English dub release. Assuming Toonami doesn't do any breaks or anything else that would result in no new episode of Super for the week, and continues to go at the rate of 1 new episode per week like they have been doing so far, the movie will be released in the US before the tournament of power has been fully dubbed, in fact it will have just barely started. So with that in mind, there could possibly be some major spoilers to anyone that's only watching the dub.

That aside, one thing I hope we get to see that the trailer doesn't even mention is the possibility of the universe 6 saiyans being involved in this. It would be a missed opportunity if Broly doesn't get to meet Kale. Though I suppose if that doesn't happen in the movie, it's possible for Broly to survive the movie and return later.

[superfan2024]

I just did some calculations regarding the English dub release. Assuming Toonami doesn't do any breaks or anything else that would result in no new episode of Super for the week, and continues to go at the rate of 1 new episode per week like they have been doing so far, the movie will be released in the US before the tournament of power has been fully dubbed, in fact it will have just barely started. So with that in mind, there could possibly be some major spoilers to anyone that's only watching the dub.

Yeah for sure. People watching Super for the first time on Toonami who were planning to watch the film in January are going to be spoiled unfortunately.

[PFM18]

Wasn't there this rumour a while ago that Broly kills berrus in the movie?
If this has any merit some of these complaints should be addressed.. in a way..
Given the strength Broly is showing this shouldn't be impossible either if a matchup like this happens..

Well, if this movie follows the trend that most of the franchise follows, then Broly>Jiren just by virtue of Broly coming after Jiren. So since Jiren(Limits Broken)>>Beerus then it is safe to say Broly would be able to easily overpower Beerus. So I pretty much expect Broly to be stronger than Beerus(I never thought I was going to say Broly>Beerus but here we are lol) but I would be surprised if the result was actually that Broly kills Beerus.

[alakazam^]

You realize it's patently ridiculous to expect people to preface every statement they make with "This is just my opinion, but..." right? Don't expect people to tiptoe around your feelings by putting such disclaimers on their opinions. If that comes off as harsh, it's only because I've been on these boards for almost a decade, and it continues to flabbergast me that people continually trot out this "defense" like it's some kind of mind-blowing premise rather than the tautological nonsense it is. That it's my opinion is very obviously implied, and this is a game I'm not going to play with you or anyone else.

Of course I do. Unfortunately, I can read and sentences like "a bad story is a bad story is a bad story" do not read as an opinion at all so I had to make sure. What's actually ridiculous is presenting opinions as facts and then, when called out, hide behind the excuse of "oh, I don't have to specify it every time" when none of that was presented as an opinion to begin with. It's actually pretty simple to throw in some "I think", "in my opinion", "as I see it", etc while you're writing. You should try it next time.

I did follow your advice and didn't tiptoe around your feelings but, seeing as you got that annoyed, maybe I should have? Surely, when implying stuff like Toriyama, a professional mangaka, being able to write a new manga you enjoyed and then suddenly forgetting how to construct a single chapter, you would expect people to come out and comment on your opinion? That's how forums work, your opinion can and will be called out eventually, especially if it's disguised as a fact.

I agree with your decision. No one has time for games, anyway.

It is a fact, actually.

If you were actually serious I'd say you don't know how facts work but you don't seem to be.

[uncutpokemon]

Actually come to think of it, it's possible that the weekly airings of Super is intended to get ahead of the Toonami airing. If Adult Swim continues to air Super upon going past the most recent episode aired on Saturday, it would be more than enough time for super to finish being released in English in time for the movie, but I doubt that's gonna happen, or that FUNimation will be able to get that far ahead in time.

[AnimeNation101]

So who wanna bet that this movie will end in the most obvious way possible?

- Brief story of the Saiyans
- Freeza finds Broly
- Paragus and Broly join Freeza
- Goku and Vegeta comes to fight them
- Broly overpowers everyone
- Goku uses UI to win the battle
- THE END

No matter how obvious some DB plots may be, there’s always a twist at the end of almost every single arc that not many people in the fandom can actually predict.

Starting from Z...

- Saiyan Arc’s twist was basically just the buildup for Namek and Goku letting Vegeta retreat.

- Namek Arc’s twist was Goku supposedly “dying.”

- Android Arc’s twist was Goku actually dying this time lol.

- Boo Arc’s twist was Boo being reincarnated.

- Battle of Gods Arc’s twist was Beerus revealing all the universes and setting the lore for the rest of Super.

- I don’t really think Reaurrection ‘F’ Arc had a twist, but it made Freeza’s return and actions in the Universal Survival Arc more natural ig.

- Champa Arc’s twist was Zeno appearing and the setup for the US Arc. Monaka being the one who won the tournament could also be a twist if you want.

- Future Trunks Arc’s twist was Trunks and Mai returning to a past with duplicates of themselves.

- And lastly, the Universal Survival Arc’s twist was Freeza being brought back to life and regaining his crew once again.

Also for the USArc, it was a surprise that Android 17 won the tournament, UI failed to get the job done and it took a Freeza x Goku combo, and if its true, 17 might have brought back universes 13 to 18.

For the movie, I’d expect something like “Broly becomes a good guy”.

[Forte224]

I just did some calculations regarding the English dub release. Assuming Toonami doesn't do any breaks or anything else that would result in no new episode of Super for the week, and continues to go at the rate of 1 new episode per week like they have been doing so far, the movie will be released in the US before the tournament of power has been fully dubbed, in fact it will have just barely started. So with that in mind, there could possibly be some major spoilers to anyone that's only watching the dub.

I guess, but the existence of this movie alone is enough to be a spoiler, isn't it? And I highly doubt people only watching the dub haven't seen at least a screenshot of UI or MUI unless they just don't use the internet. Outside of MUI and U7 winning (the latter of which is made pretty obvious by the existence of this movie), what really is there to spoil?

[Grimlock]

Why is he there? Because I’m sure life gets really boring after living as long as he has.

Aside from the food, I’m sure this is the most entertainment he’s gotten in this universe in a very very long time. How often does he have people like Goku pop up In his universe?

Assuming they don’t kill off Beerus, he’s going to live well past the lifespan of Goku and company. He might as well enjoy it now.

If that is the case, I would say it's understandable, but still... He has passed too much time on Earth, hanging with others. He barely stayed at home (apart from AGE 778 to AGE 779), and he barely did his job since he woke up in the first time. And I'm not counting Dragon Ball Super fillers, but they contribute to Beerus' fatigue...

Good point. I’m starting to feel they’ve overstayed their welcome as well

With this movie taking place in AGE 780 (as Goku and Vegeta are together and certainly Goku will see Bulma during its events), hopefully this is the last time we see Beerus (and maybe Whis), and continues to be that at least until AGE 784 (and hopefully passing that year).

[ZeroNeonix]

So the frozen area is for sure on Earth then? That's disappointing. I was hoping it was going to be Freeza's home planet, but I guess in this world with 12 Universes to explore we're STILL sticking with Earth. I wonder if we're ever going to learn anything about Freeza's race.

[Ki Breaker]

I wonder if we're ever going to learn anything about Freeza's race.

Give it some time, Freeza himself would be telling the cast all sorts of stories over a cup of tea..

[Jackalope89]

I wonder if we're ever going to learn anything about Freeza's race.

Give it some time, Freeza himself would be telling the cast all sorts of stories over a cup of tea..

As he murdered various plebeians to death.

[superfan2024]

Why is he there? Because I’m sure life gets really boring after living as long as he has.

Aside from the food, I’m sure this is the most entertainment he’s gotten in this universe in a very very long time. How often does he have people like Goku pop up In his universe?

Assuming they don’t kill off Beerus, he’s going to live well past the lifespan of Goku and company. He might as well enjoy it now.

If that is the case, I would say it's understandable, but still... He has passed too much time on Earth, hanging with others. He barely stayed at home (apart from AGE 778 to AGE 779), and he barely did his job since he woke up in the first time. And I'm not counting Dragon Ball Super fillers, but they contribute to Beerus' fatigue...

Good point. I’m starting to feel they’ve overstayed their welcome as well

With this movie taking place in AGE 780 (as Goku and Vegeta are together and certainly Goku will see Bulma during its events), hopefully this is the last time we see Beerus (and maybe Whis), and continues to be that at least until AGE 784 (and hopefully passing that year).

After watching the trailer... does your sig still stand?

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I'm excited about this movie, mostly for the spectacle, although I wouldn't put it past Toriyama to put a slight twist on this rebooted Broly or the story overall.

The whole "written by Akira Toriyama" marketing gimmick is getting old, but hey if it gets more butts in seats who cares.

[sintzu]

I wonder if we're ever going to learn anything about Freeza's race.

Give it some time, Freeza himself would be telling the cast all sorts of stories over a cup of tea..

"does anyone want to hear about my brother I never talked about ? he's going to be in our next movie and he's stronger than Broly".

[Ki Breaker]

I wonder if we're ever going to learn anything about Freeza's race.

Give it some time, Freeza himself would be telling the cast all sorts of stories over a cup of tea..

"does anyone want to hear about my brother I never talked about ? he's going to be in our next movie and he's stronger than Broly".

I read that in freeza's voice and it totally fits
Cooler>Broly>Jiren>Berrus eeh? I guess crazier stuff has happened

[Mnich]

Damn, Japanese dub is so great in this trailer, especially Broly's last scream, almost like a wild animal, I love it. Paragus' voice when he unleashes Broly is also awesome! I also watched the English version to compare, but it's like a day and night. It would be awesome to watch this movie in cinema, but it probably won't happen in my country..