Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[alakazam^]

Poor argument when he basically saved them from dying by rewinding time in ROF, don't see a reason why he wouldn't do it again.

Then why didn't he stop Freeza from exploding the planet in the first place? Only Vegeeta died from the explosion so he didn't save the others from anything by rewinding time. In fact, he didn't even care about the explosion, he used it to teach a lesson to Goku, that's all.

He helps but not in a way that solves the issue from the get-go, what he's interested about is watching Goku and Vegeeta grow. They still have to step up to the plate and take care of things.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

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[Darkseid]

If that counts then by the same standard you would have to count Vegito's fights with Buuhan and (manga only) Merged Zamasu as points in favor for Vegito.

No because Vegito didnt really do much except beat them up and then defuse. The spoilers imply that Gogeta not only beats Broly but is about to land the killing blow. Only the wish saves Broly. That still leaves Gogeta at 2 defeated opponents whereas Vegeto has 0.

Vegito was also "about to land the killing blow" against Merged Zamasu but defuse before it could happen. So if you count that for Gogeta then you must count that for Vegito also.

Was it really? We know that even after desintegration (Vegetas Gamma Burst Flash in the manga) Merged Zamasu could regenerate. He was partially immortal after all. Would Vegetos extra power really have made a difference? We dont really know what Vegetos final attack would have accomplished.

As for your former post: fact is if the spoilers are to be believed that Gogeta beat Broly and nearly killed him which is more than Vegeto did to either Buu or Merged Zamasu (Anime and Manga). If we go by resolution to the conflict than yes the point would probably go to Chirai but if we are talking actual combat Gogeta´s two-point lead remains.

[CTAkuma]

Poor argument when he basically saved them from dying by rewinding time in ROF, don't see a reason why he wouldn't do it again.

Then why didn't he stop Freeza from exploding the planet in the first place? Only Vegeeta died from the explosion so he didn't save the others from anything by rewinding time. In fact, he didn't even care about the explosion, he used it to teach a lesson to Goku, that's all.

He helps but not in a way that solves the issue from the get-go, what he's interested about is watching Goku and Vegeeta grow. They still have to step up to the plate and take care of things.

He can't watch them grow if they are dead and he can't enjoy his favourite food if the planet is gone. If the planet was destroyed or there was no other way to revive Goku and Vegeta, Whis would do it

[vashter]

Goddamn people going over gogeta vs vegetto, how about.... wait for the movie? just because people hearing "oh cheela save broly and gogeta didn't kill him", wait for the damn film words out there doesn't mean a damn thing until you actually see it / hear from people who saw it lol before this forum flood like crazy back in year 2000 when there someone started superman vs goku and that shit will never stop.

[Lord Frieza]

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba.

He still won the fight and resolved the issue of this crazy guy going berserk. In GT Gogeta's case he defused and failed to resolve the problem, Vegetto in both cases didn't actuallly end the enemy's rampage and he ultimately failed.

Hence Gogeta is 2-1 and Vegetto is 0-2

No, gogeta is 1-2 if we go by the spoilers since he failed to kill off the enemy one way or the other.
Gogeta is 1-2 (according to spoilers), and vegetto is 0-2.

It's not about killing is about accomplishing the goal the fusion was ment for.

Vegito fused to beat Buu and failed to do so due to a Buu's body. He doesn't get credit for Goku and Vegeta having to do all the real work.

He failed to beat Zamasu.

Gogeta beat Janemba, not killed him. He simple purified his body of all the evil energy that created him.

Gogeta failed to be Omega Shenron, and again he dosne't get credit for what Goku and Vegeta pulled of afterwards.

Gogeta beats Broly and is about to kill him. The killing part is stopped thanks to a well timed wish but the result is the same, Broly is stopped, just as with Janemba.

[zarmack]

Accept that that one statment is contradicted by everything Vegeta did befor and after. Vegeta even regected the idea od restarting the saiyan race using earthlings, yes they would be stronger then them but if he REALLY cared about the survival of his race he would have jumped at the chance. After the Frieza arc Vegeta's goal never changes, its all about power and killing Goku, yes killing the only other survivor of his race. He only ever drops the killing part after years on earth. Hell even when he has his crisis in the Buu arc it's still all about him and right back to killing Goku again.


His begging for Goku to avenge the saiyans should be considered an outlier moment brought on by the fact he's had all his ambitions crushed by the being who made a slave of him since he was a child and has effectively killed him.

How in the world is that speech an outlier?

1. You can't restart a race with just 2 pure-blooded males. Any Saiyan blood would have completely disappeared within 4 generations. You need at least 40 males and 40 females to keep a race/species alive.

2. As I explained multiple time already, neither Shenron nor Porunga could bring back a large group of people that have been dead for over a year, so any opportunity in Z had long pasted.

3. And yet you forgot that on Earth after the Namek arc, that he still goes on and on about Saiyan pride, how he is the last of his kind and the prince of all Saiyans, how he tries to install the same values onto Trunks, etc (even in GT). If he really didn't care about his race at all then he wouldn't have been so hung up about it at all logically.

4. Also, if he really didn't care about his race then he (the normally anti-social Vegeta) wouldn't be so eager to befriend Cabba (as pointed out by Piccolo that he misses bonding with his own people) nor would he have wanted to wish back Planet Sadala and visit it (which was his main goal in the ToP arc).

Its like you people simply don't get Vegeta's character and just project your biases onto the topic. Even Ryo Horikawa thinks Vegeta would want to kill Beerus for having Planet Vegeta destroyed, and he understand the character better than anyone else.

[Son-Kakaroto]

He still won the fight and resolved the issue of this crazy guy going berserk. In GT Gogeta's case he defused and failed to resolve the problem, Vegetto in both cases didn't actuallly end the enemy's rampage and he ultimately failed.

Hence Gogeta is 2-1 and Vegetto is 0-2

No, gogeta is 1-2 if we go by the spoilers since he failed to kill off the enemy one way or the other.
Gogeta is 1-2 (according to spoilers), and vegetto is 0-2.

It's not about killing is about accomplishing the goal the fusion was ment for.

Vegito fused to beat Buu and failed to do so due to a Buu's body. He doesn't get credit for Goku and Vegeta having to do all the real work.

He failed to beat Zamasu.

Gogeta beat Janemba, not killed him. He simple purified his body of all the evil energy that created him.

Gogeta failed to be Omega Shenron, and again he dosne't get credit for what Goku and Vegeta pulled of afterwards.

Gogeta beats Broly and is about to kill him. The killing part is stopped thanks to a well timed wish but the result is the same, Broly is stopped, just as with Janemba.

Okay, so sort of "stop the conflict" sort of thing. In that case, I stand corrected.

How in the world is that speech an outlier?

1. You can't restart a race with just 2 pure-blooded males. Any Saiyan blood would have completely disappeared within 4 generations. You need at least 40 males and 40 females to keep a race/species alive.

2. As I explained multiple time already, neither Shenron nor Porunga could bring back a large group of people that have been dead for over a year, so any opportunity in Z had long pasted.

3. And yet you forgot that on Earth after the Namek arc, that he still goes on and on about Saiyan pride, how he is the last of his kind and the prince of all Saiyans, how he tries to install the same values onto Trunks, etc (even in GT). If he really didn't care about his race at all then he wouldn't have been so hung up about it at all logically.

4. Also, if he really didn't care about his race then he (the normally anti-social Vegeta) wouldn't be so eager to befriend Cabba (as pointed out by Piccolo that he misses bonding with his own people) nor would he have wanted to wish back Planet Sadala and visit it (which was his main goal in the ToP arc).

Its like you people simply don't get Vegeta's character and just project your biases onto the topic. Even Ryo Horikawa thinks Vegeta would want to kill Beerus for having Planet Vegeta destroyed, and he understand the character better than anyone else.

True, vegeta is a proud sayain and takes interest in his heritage... HOWEVER, I don't think he's like a sayain nationalist or anything. Like, he isn't a zod or eridactor (kyrptonians who want to bring back krypton so their people can rule the universe) who'd do anything to bring their race back to power.

[Kinokima]

He still won the fight and resolved the issue of this crazy guy going berserk. In GT Gogeta's case he defused and failed to resolve the problem, Vegetto in both cases didn't actuallly end the enemy's rampage and he ultimately failed.

Hence Gogeta is 2-1 and Vegetto is 0-2

No, gogeta is 1-2 if we go by the spoilers since he failed to kill off the enemy one way or the other.
Gogeta is 1-2 (according to spoilers), and vegetto is 0-2.

It's not about killing is about accomplishing the goal the fusion was ment for.

Vegito fused to beat Buu and failed to do so due to a Buu's body. He doesn't get credit for Goku and Vegeta having to do all the real work.

He failed to beat Zamasu.

Gogeta beat Janemba, not killed him. He simple purified his body of all the evil energy that created him.

Gogeta failed to be Omega Shenron, and again he dosne't get credit for what Goku and Vegeta pulled of afterwards.

Gogeta beats Broly and is about to kill him. The killing part is stopped thanks to a well timed wish but the result is the same, Broly is stopped, just as with Janemba.

Actually you are wrong too. Vegetto in Buu saga did accomplish his goal. He wasn’t trying to kill Buu he wanted Buu to absorb him so he could rescue Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten from inside.

Of course Vegetto didn’t expect to defuse inside Buu.

[PFM18]

You forgot that Gogeta according to the spoilers doesn't finish off Broly, it doesn't count as a point for Gogeta. The only time he ever did was against Janemba.

He still won the fight and resolved the issue of this crazy guy going berserk. In GT Gogeta's case he defused and failed to resolve the problem, Vegetto in both cases didn't actuallly end the enemy's rampage and he ultimately failed.

Hence Gogeta is 2-1 and Vegetto is 0-2

Vegito getting absorbed on purpose by Buu was what allowed Goku and Vegeta to depower him from the inside, giving them the chance to kill him in the end.

Second, the spoilers suggest that its Chirai that stops Broly's rampage, not Gogeta. So that wouldn't count for Gogeta at all.

Vegetto still didn't win/resolve the issue. He didn't outright fail like SSB Vegetto or SSJ4 Gogeta but he didn't win either.

No, Chele just stops Broly from being killed by Gogeta. She doesn't stop his rampage I have no idea how you got that idea. Gogeta defeated Broly and solved the problem. Therefore, he got a win.

[zarmack]

He still won the fight and resolved the issue of this crazy guy going berserk. In GT Gogeta's case he defused and failed to resolve the problem, Vegetto in both cases didn't actuallly end the enemy's rampage and he ultimately failed.

Hence Gogeta is 2-1 and Vegetto is 0-2

Vegito getting absorbed on purpose by Buu was what allowed Goku and Vegeta to depower him from the inside, giving them the chance to kill him in the end.

Second, the spoilers suggest that its Chirai that stops Broly's rampage, not Gogeta. So that wouldn't count for Gogeta at all.

Vegetto still didn't win/resolve the issue. He didn't outright fail like SSB Vegetto or SSJ4 Gogeta but he didn't win either.

No, Chele just stops Broly from being killed by Gogeta. She doesn't stop his rampage I have no idea how you got that idea. Gogeta defeated Broly and solved the problem. Therefore, he got a win.

Chirai is implied to be the one to calm Broly down. So no props for Gogeta

[BrolyKale]

Vegito getting absorbed on purpose by Buu was what allowed Goku and Vegeta to depower him from the inside, giving them the chance to kill him in the end.

Second, the spoilers suggest that its Chirai that stops Broly's rampage, not Gogeta. So that wouldn't count for Gogeta at all.

Vegetto still didn't win/resolve the issue. He didn't outright fail like SSB Vegetto or SSJ4 Gogeta but he didn't win either.

No, Chele just stops Broly from being killed by Gogeta. She doesn't stop his rampage I have no idea how you got that idea. Gogeta defeated Broly and solved the problem. Therefore, he got a win.

Chirai is implied to be the one to calm Broly down. So no props for Gogeta

That's not true, Geekdom said Gogeta was going to finish off Broly, but at the last moment Cheerai wished to save Broly with the DB. Cheerai doesn't calm Broly down.

[Lord Frieza]

No, gogeta is 1-2 if we go by the spoilers since he failed to kill off the enemy one way or the other.
Gogeta is 1-2 (according to spoilers), and vegetto is 0-2.

It's not about killing is about accomplishing the goal the fusion was ment for.

Vegito fused to beat Buu and failed to do so due to a Buu's body. He doesn't get credit for Goku and Vegeta having to do all the real work.

He failed to beat Zamasu.

Gogeta beat Janemba, not killed him. He simple purified his body of all the evil energy that created him.

Gogeta failed to be Omega Shenron, and again he dosne't get credit for what Goku and Vegeta pulled of afterwards.

Gogeta beats Broly and is about to kill him. The killing part is stopped thanks to a well timed wish but the result is the same, Broly is stopped, just as with Janemba.

Actually you are wrong too. Vegetto in Buu saga did accomplish his goal. He wasn’t trying to kill Buu he wanted Buu to absorb him so he could rescue Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten from inside.

Of course Vegetto didn’t expect to defuse inside Buu.

Fair point but to counter, he didn't save them, Goku and Vegeta did. And to add insult to it all they all got left to die on earth when Kid Buu blew it up.

[alakazam^]

I wonder if we'll see Veku Blue... I mean, I don't think they'll have enough time to wait for a diffusion so they have to kill that time some other way.

He can't watch them grow if they are dead and he can't enjoy his favourite food if the planet is gone. If the planet was destroyed or there was no other way to revive Goku and Vegeta, Whis would do it

And yet, he didn't go to the future to deal with Black after hearing about how strong he was. He didn't even gave any advice on how they could beat him and he had a superior means to seal Zamasu than the Mafuuba. Like a martial arts teacher, Whis will step in at times if he feels there's a growth opportunity out of the situation but, ultimately, it's the student that has to fend for himself or die trying. Talking about F, Goku still had to be the one to kill Freeza on time, Whis didn't lay a hand on him.

[Lukmendes]

You sure? Because he "messed with stuff" more than once. ResF, Zamasu killing Gowasu, Trunks' new timeline. That's 3 times already. 4 with the new movie. Whis obviously cares about the planet; he likes Goku & co and he likes Earth's food.

While most points are right, him saving Gowasu is kind of a different matter, since it involves a Kai and a god of destruction being killed, not just maybe saving another Earth, that one feels far more justified for him to act than the others.

Didnt the spoilers imply that Gogeta is ABOUT to finish him off and its only Cheelahs? (forgot her name) wish to Shenron that saves him? It could still kinda count.

If that counts then by the same standard you would have to count Vegito's fights with Buuhan and (manga only) Merged Zamasu as points in favor for Vegito.

No because Vegito didnt really do much except beat them up and then defuse. The spoilers imply that Gogeta not only beats Broly but is about to land the killing blow. Only the wish saves Broly. That still leaves Gogeta at 2 defeated opponents whereas Vegeto has 0.

If there was no Vegetto to deal with Boohan then Boo would just kill Goku and Vegeta, while Vegetto didn't finish off Boo or even saved everyone himself, he still played a crucial role in Boo's defeat by putting Goku and Vegeta in the position to do so.

Was it really? We know that even after desintegration (Vegetas Gamma Burst Flash in the manga) Merged Zamasu could regenerate. He was partially immortal after all. Would Vegetos extra power really have made a difference? We dont really know what Vegetos final attack would have accomplished.

Actualy in the manga Zamasu was immortal even after the fusion, Beerus even says Hakai wouldn't kill him.

Gogeta failed to be Omega Shenron, and again he dosne't get credit for what Goku and Vegeta pulled of afterwards.

To be fair, SS4 Gogeta was useless, he only did two things, remove the negative energy surrounding the Earth, and removing most dragon balls from Shenron with that Big Bang Kamehameha, the first one is undone after a while, before Goku does the spirit bomb, and the second one, well, it made Nuova return and try to kill Omega, but ultimately he was useless too, so unlike Vegetto in Z, what Gogeta did in GT is skippable.

2. As I explained multiple time already, neither Shenron nor Porunga could bring back a large group of people that have been dead for over a year, so any opportunity in Z had long pasted.

He didn't know that, in fact the dead for longer than an year thing is only brought up when Kami and Kaio are talking with each other, fact that he didn't consider resurrecting them shows that he doesn't care about the individuals of his race, though he still cares about the race itself.

[PFM18]

Vegetto still didn't win/resolve the issue. He didn't outright fail like SSB Vegetto or SSJ4 Gogeta but he didn't win either.

No, Chele just stops Broly from being killed by Gogeta. She doesn't stop his rampage I have no idea how you got that idea. Gogeta defeated Broly and solved the problem. Therefore, he got a win.

Chirai is implied to be the one to calm Broly down. So no props for Gogeta

That's not true, Geekdom said Gogeta was going to finish off Broly, but Cheerai wished to save Broly with the DB. Cheerai doesn't calm Broly down.

This. This isnt about calming Broky down it is about saving him from Gogeta. She uses a wish from shenron to do it

[Lord Frieza]

I'm really looking forward to the villains scenes.

Broly appearenly dosen't want to fight, even without the colar on. I can only assume that like Kale, once Legendery kicks in he just can't help himself. Also very glade the whole crying thing is gone.

Paraguse... I wonder will you realise that that all you did was abuse your son and turn him into a weapon for your revenge befor this is over... Heck no your a saiyan, you'll probably act surpised when your abused child turns on you.

Cheerai, just don't disapoint me. I've high hops for you girl.

[Kinokima]

It's not about killing is about accomplishing the goal the fusion was ment for.

Vegito fused to beat Buu and failed to do so due to a Buu's body. He doesn't get credit for Goku and Vegeta having to do all the real work.

He failed to beat Zamasu.

Gogeta beat Janemba, not killed him. He simple purified his body of all the evil energy that created him.

Gogeta failed to be Omega Shenron, and again he dosne't get credit for what Goku and Vegeta pulled of afterwards.

Gogeta beats Broly and is about to kill him. The killing part is stopped thanks to a well timed wish but the result is the same, Broly is stopped, just as with Janemba.

Actually you are wrong too. Vegetto in Buu saga did accomplish his goal. He wasn’t trying to kill Buu he wanted Buu to absorb him so he could rescue Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten from inside.

Of course Vegetto didn’t expect to defuse inside Buu.

Fair point but to counter, he didn't save them, Goku and Vegeta did. And to add insult to it all they all got left to die on earth when Kid Buu blew it up.

Well it was due to circumstances beyond his control. I think his plan was a sound one and showed foresight & intellegence and that he cared about his friends and family not just beating Buu.

But in the end I think Toriyama likes his surprise endings and I think Vegetto beating Buu maybe would have been too predictable. Same with Vegetto in Goku Black arc (although he really accomplish nothing here so the inclusion while cool doesn’t work as well for me. Even though I love my Vegetto Blue cards in Dokkan lol)


I will say based on spoilers I think we can say Gogeta gets the win here (although maybe it will appear different when we actually watch) but even here maybe you could argue the twist is Broly is saved by Cheelai. So maybe in the end you could argue she does save the day because Broly isn’t a bad guy and we shouldn’t want Gogeta to kill him.

[Lord Frieza]

Chirai is implied to be the one to calm Broly down. So no props for Gogeta

That's not true, Geekdom said Gogeta was going to finish off Broly, but Cheerai wished to save Broly with the DB. Cheerai doesn't calm Broly down.

This. This isnt about calming Broky down it is about saving him from Gogeta. She uses a wish from shenron to do it

Whats Broky and can you eat it?

[Chuquita]

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I'm so happy they're improving! It looks much more polished.

So excited about the spoilers on Wednesday!