BlueBasilisk wrote:ekrolo2 wrote:It's quite simple, Dragon Ball runs on bad Shonen tropes now like Fairy Tail where determination and loving yur nakama allows you to fight in perpetuity, even if the series (on many occasions) says you're totally drained.
You know, that thing Dragon Ball never did even at it's dumbest of moments before. But then again, this is the show where Krillin could do this to 100% Cell:
Thanks to "strategic and tactical" looping of punches and kicks which is TOTES different from the brawling kind of looped punches and kicks:
The Frieza fight hinged on this very thing. Goku used the Spirit Bomb on Frieza out of desperation because he overtaxed himself with Kaioken and was rapidly losing what strength he had left, but then he gets pissed off over Frieza killing his best buddy and oops he's fully recovered his stamina and energy.
Which never happens to him again and also occurs after his determined KK and Spirit Bomb both spectacularly fail despite his sheer, absolute, determination and need for them to work, they don't. It's more of an exception and not the rule. He was super determined to beat the Androids and that didn't glitch out his heart virus, nor did it make him any more capable of beating Cell. It didn't make him capable of beating Kid Boo,...
To use other people as an example, Gohan got super determined many, many times and it never bloody works. He gets pissed at Raditz and dents his suit, Nappa bitch slaps his desire to avenge Piccolo (literally), Freeza shrugs off both attacks of similar nature and he doesn't even beat Cell with this since he needed Goku and Vegeta to help him to win. If Super wrote the beam clash between Gohan and Cell, Gohan would've healed his fucking arm in seconds because he's super determined to win.
Vegeta is also constantly super determined and it never works. He tries everything to kill everyone in the Saiyan arc and he gets smashed for it. Freeza breaks his spirit despite how profoundly he wants and needs to win, Cell just trolls him like a moron both times he gets mad and determined and Kid Boo just regenerates from his big sacrificial moment.
So yeah, out of ALL these instances, the one time Dragon Ball did it when it could be called halfway good does not prove anything except that exceptions exists. If anything, Dragon Ball went out of its way to show just how pointless determination and not backed up by something else is that it makes me wonder why the fuck everyone clearly apping it afterward decided to do the exact opposite.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):