dragon boss z wrote:
It's possible the super version of Gohan still had some access to his mystic power as when he was fighting Ginyu he was saying "I can't access my full power". And he finally had to go ssj. Also there is the fact I think the writers forgot how strong Piccolo was as they treated him like trash. He put up a better fight against final form Frost, the way they treated him in that episode was ridiculous and the fact he had trouble with a "Zarbon level opponent" in RoF, and someone stated to be "above the Ginyu" stomped him in Super, plus Frieza saying he will achieve a power level of 1.3 million, all lead me to believe the writers did not go back through he series to do their research before making the movie or the episode. In Toriyama's original draft for the movie I believe the line was "out of the warriors there Gohan is the strongest" and Toei may have taken that as base Gohan when Toriyama really meant ssj Gohan, which would make more sense as in the very next arc Piccolo was made out as a better choice than rusty Gohan. Why would Goku say he would rather have Piccolo than Gohan if Piccolo<base Gohan<<ssj Gohan? It would make more sense that base Gohan<Piccolo<ssj Gohan, with Piccolo being a better choice do to his skill being sharper.
Later on the GB Arc Future Trunks said that Gohan isn't as strong as he used to be, so Gohan here is even weaker than his CG self.
Piccolo fighting evenly with a Zarbon tier opponent and the 1.3 million line were movie only though, nothing implies those two mistakes still aply to the manga. In fact, they were removed, what implies the writters noticed their mistakes.
Gohan isn't a fighter anymore. Even if he's stronger than Piccolo he still sucks at fighting and probably would had no interest at all in fighting. Gohan did recover his interest in fighting after FnF, but Goku doesn't know that until he goes recruit Piccolo.
By that same token they didn't sense Piccolo at full power either, and as Pui Pui thought 10x gravity was impressive I think it's safe to say if they thought any of them would have trouble with Pui Pui the way they gauged their power initially was wrong.
Seems like overcomplicating things too much to assume only Piccolo was more suppressed than them for no reason and without evidence. Not that it's wrong, but it's certainly a mental gymnastic.
Of course Pocus would think 10G was impressive. He thought Vegeta and the others were earthlings used to 1G gravity.
ZombieVito wrote:Tagoma can't sense Ki.
Piccolo wouldn't have gone solo against Tagoma if Gohan was stronger in base.
Ginyu called base Gohan's power puny.
Neither could Beerus. And unlike Beerus statement, Tagoma's is supported by feats: Tagoma is admitedly as strong as Base Gohan (Gohan said Tagoma had power on pair with his own before knowing he can go SSJ) and he tanked Piccolo's punch, and after FnF Gohan is shown fighting evenly with Piccolo on a sparring section.
Except that they didn't know how strong Tagoma was yet. Piccolo just wanted to kill him thinking he was another average soldier.
Ginyu draw Tagoma's dormant power after he stole his body though.
[navy]Gohan (narrating the NEP): “This Tagoma person is on a completely different level from the other soldiers. He’s hiding power at least on par with my own! No way... His power rose even higher?! What's that bizarre pose?!”
Piccolo: "His power has risen even higher than before?!"
Jaco: "I see. He drew out that Tagoma person's full power. I guess that's the sort of person Ginyu is."[/color]
RandomGuy96 wrote:Probably to emphasize his weakness, It's not the first time in the manga the aura of a SS2 is drawn without sparks, and he does have the SS2-appropriate hair as shown by the character sketches for the second Broly movie.
Wouldn't that imply Gohan vs Dabra is even weaker than he was at the Budokai though? At least he had sparks there...
Also, from Volume 30 onwards (37 onwards on Tankobon), Gohan had the same hair as a SSJ and SSJ2, with the bang being present even on his base form.
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Bullza wrote:So when Goku said Dabura was as strong as Cell....do people think he's referring to Super Perfect Cell? And that's why he's stronger than a Super Saiyan but weaker than a Super Saiyan 2?
Certainly not SPC. After coming back Cell was a real threat to Gohan and pretty much crippled SSJ2 Gohan, yet Dabra barely damaged a far weaker Gohan.