Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:57 pm

Draken wrote:Far too lazy to scour for old PL lists, but was it you who used to have UG at 300 billion and Super Buu at 180 bill or was that RandomGuy?

Twas me.

Draken · Post by **Draken** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:58 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Draken wrote:Far too lazy to scour for old PL lists, but was it you who used to have UG at 300 billion and Super Buu at 180 bill or was that RandomGuy?
Twas me.

Damn making Gotenks stronger bloated everything else by a lot then lol.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:03 pm

Draken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Draken wrote:Far too lazy to scour for old PL lists, but was it you who used to have UG at 300 billion and Super Buu at 180 bill or was that RandomGuy?
Twas me.
Damn making Gotenks stronger bloated everything else by a lot then lol.

It sure did. I kinda like these more though, Evil Buu's BP is a homage to Piccolo Damiao's.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:10 pm

Draken wrote:Far too lazy to scour for old PL lists, but was it you who used to have UG at 300 billion and Super Buu at 180 bill or was that RandomGuy?

That's where I have them on my current list, yes.

On topic, why does Gotenks need to be that strong? And why is Buu so close to him when Gotenks clearly dominated...?

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:13 pm

Gotenks still had trouble with Buu so I don't think he's that much stronger. Gotenks doesn't HAVE to be stronger than Goku but it's seemingly implied that he is.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:21 pm

For a contrast I also have a really low Gotenks. This is based on the statement in the Daizenshuu 7 that states Gotenks hadn't surpassed Vegeta and everyone else until after the ROSAT:
Great Saiyaman Arc

7 Years Later
Gohan: 55,000,000
SSJ Gohan: 550,000,000
Goten: 6,000,000
SSJ Goten: 300,000,000
Trunks: 7,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 350,000,000
Videl: 9

25th Tenkaichi Budokai
Goten: 7,000,000
SSJ Goten: 350,000,000
Trunks: 8,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 400,000,000
Mr Satan: 11
Gohan: 56,000,000
Piccolo: 1,200,000,0000
Goku: 80,000,000
Vegeta: 64,000,000
Krillin: 196,000
Cyborg #18: 350,000,000
Yamcha: 75,000
Kaioshin: 2,100,000,000
Kibito: 56,000,000
Spopobitchi: 50
Yamu: 45
Videl: 32
FPSSJ Gohan(Angry): 3,080,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 5,600,000,000

Majin Buu Arc

The Wizard Babidi
Pui Pui: 400,000
Yakon: 64,000,000
SSJ Goku: 2,400,000,000
Dabura: 2,800,000,000
FPSSJ Gohan: 2,800,000,000
Majin FPSSJ Vegeta: 4,000,000,000
FPSSJ Goku: 4,000,000,000
Majin SSJ2 Vegeta: 8,000,000,000
SSJ2 Goku: 8,000,000,000

Majin Buu Awakens
Majin Buu: 18,000,000,000
-Final Explosion: 16,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku: 32,000,000,000
Gotenks: 140,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 7,000,000,000
Majin Buu(Angry to the Point of Splitting): 24,000,000,000
Pure Evil Buu: 16,000,000,000
Good Buu: 8,000,000,000
Evil Buu: 64,000,000,000

Fusion Arc

Fu-Sion-Ha!
Gohan(Post Z-Sword Training): 62,500,000
Goten: 9,000,000
Trunks: 10,000,000
Gotenks: 180,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 9,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gotenks: 18,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks: 72,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan: 100,000,000,000
Buutenks: 137,200,000,000
Kibitoshin: 5,750,000,000
Buuhan: 165,219,000,000
Tenshinhan: 180,000
Vegetto: 64,000,000,000
FPSSJ Vegetto: 3,200,000,000,000

Kid Buu Returns!?
Kid Buu: 30,000,000,000
Western Kaioshin: 5,000,000,000
Northern Kaioshin: 3,000,000,000
Southern Kaioshin: 24,000,000,000
Majin Buu(Southern Kaioshin Absorbed): 72,000,000,000
Eastern Kaioshin: 2,000,000,000
Daikaioshin: 4,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku: 32,000,000,000
-True Kamehameha: 40,000,000,000
SSJ2 Vegeta: 8,000,000,000
Good Buu: 8,000,000,000
-Super Genki Dama: 36,000,000,000

Also for shits and giggles, here is how uncertain I am about Buu saga power levels in comparison to the other arcs:

Spoiler:

Yeah... The Buu saga is that unclear...

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:57 pm

Gotenks: 180,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 9,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gotenks: 18,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks: 72,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan: 100,000,000,000

Heh, exact same as my list.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:03 pm

Saiga wrote:
Gotenks: 180,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 9,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gotenks: 18,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks: 72,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan: 100,000,000,000
Heh, exact same as my list.

really? Nice

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RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:32 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Gotenks still had trouble with Buu so I don't think he's that much stronger. Gotenks doesn't HAVE to be stronger than Goku but it's seemingly implied that he is.

He had about as much trouble with Buu as Good Buu had with Kid Buu. Yet you have a multi-fold difference between them. How does that even work?

I reviewed it. Super Buu put up a rather pathetic fight against Gotenks. Freeza outperfomed him with a supposedly larger gap against Goku.

On that other list: if you're going to throw away SS Gotenks > Fat Buu anyway, why are he and Super Buu so high? Why isn't South Kaioshin just normal addition, putting Super Buu at 50,000,000,000 or so...?

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:38 pm

I've tried addition, it doesn't work. Good Buu fairs just as well as Vegeta does. He only lasts as long as he does because he's Buu. He'd be done for without that stamina and regeneration.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:46 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I've tried addition, it doesn't work. Good Buu fairs just as well as Vegeta does. He only lasts as long as he does because he's Buu. He'd be done for without that stamina and regeneration.

I don't see why...?

You really need to re read the fight if you think that. The struggle he put up against Kid Buu is identical to the one Super Buu put up against Gotenks.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:48 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I've tried addition, it doesn't work. Good Buu fairs just as well as Vegeta does. He only lasts as long as he does because he's Buu. He'd be done for without that stamina and regeneration.
I don't see why...?

You really need to re read the fight if you think that. The struggle he put up against Kid Buu is identical to the one Super Buu put up against Gotenks.

That's because he's Buu, I've read the fight, he didn't do anything to make me think he's that strong.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:02 pm

He did the same things Super Buu did. Only Super Buu didn't last as long and fought an opponent with worse durability. So if anything you can say Super Buu put up a worse fight. Plus, the difference you have between Kid and Good is a one-shot difference and a tanking difference.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:06 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:He did the same things Super Buu did. Only Super Buu didn't last as long and fought an opponent with worse durability. So if anything you can say Super Buu put up a worse fight.

Pure Buu was toying with him.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:23 pm

Gotenks was toying with Super Buu as well.

Also, I hate when people just say "Z was toying with Y" to immediately dismiss all feats so they can make that character weak. Pure Buu was most certainly not letting himself get hit, he's always surprised when he does, and he has no reason to toy with Buu this way and not Vegeta. If he was just toying, he could've just annihilated him the same way he annihilated Vegeta, not letting Good Buu get in any hits- that would've been more fun.

And again, compare this to Super Buu vs Gotenks- what did Super Buu do here that Good Buu didn't in his fight with Kid Buu? They both tanked some hits and got in a throw/counter, a headbutt, and a blast before being beaten down.

Draken · Post by **Draken** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:29 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:He did the same things Super Buu did. Only Super Buu didn't last as long and fought an opponent with worse durability. So if anything you can say Super Buu put up a worse fight. Plus, the difference you have between Kid and Good is a one-shot difference and a tanking difference.

And I hate it when people try to push their opinion onto someone else. You're sounding like others right about now...

The difference he has between Kid and Good is one-shot/tanking, with YOUR numbers in YOUR opinion. Not his.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:30 pm

Pure Buu was toying with Good Buu though.... Gotenks wasn't toying with Evil Buu at all. The Daizenshuu 2 even says they fought evenly.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:31 pm

The difference he has between Kid and Good is one-shot/tanking, with YOUR numbers in YOUR opinion. Not his.

No, he has people one-shotting and tanking on his own list with the same or smaller gaps. x2.5 or less is a one-shot/tanking difference in the series itself too. So no, not my opinion.

Pure Buu was toying with Good Buu though.... Gotenks wasn't toying with Evil Buu at all. The Daizenshuu 2 even says they fought evenly.

No, he wasn't.

The Daizenshuu also says that the base kids fought evenly with 18. We can plainly see that Super Buu vs Gotenks was NOT an even fight if we just look at the pages. And there's a lot more evidence that Gotenks was toying with Super Buu then there is that Kid Buu was toying with Good Buu.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:48 pm

That's your interpretation....

. Pure Buu was toying with Good Buu as far as I'm concerned.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:00 pm

What I'm wondering is why Pure Buu tried to choke Mr. Buu. And it seemed to be working. I don't get it.

Kanzenshuu

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