The Harmony Gold Dub & Broadcast Audio Discussion Thread

[superrayman3]

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

I've got my fingers crossed.

[Android 50]

lol at no one wanting to upload any of it.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

She has dragon ball from it's original run in the 80s, but not the harmony gold dub. She said she lost that after high school in 2003.

[VegettoEX]

lol at no one wanting to upload any of it.

Please try to make more constructive posts than this. If you don't really have anything to add, you don't really have anything to add.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

lol at no one wanting to upload any of it.

Think of it this way, there's many people with copies of dragonball's original run but how many have taken the time to upload it? Nun, zip, nadda with the exception of Key17 and the other guy that I forget.

I'm not doing it cause I don't want to ruin the tapes, I no longer care for it's picture just it's sound. It's no more than storing the original audio which I have in a vault(not an ordinary vault either).

If I mess up just one episode, where am I going to get another copy? My family/cousins would be pissed as we spent a decade recording that!

[thedarkuniter]

I have my fingers crossed as well. I think anything is possible, I mean, Pokewhiz7 uploaded the supposedly lost airing of the Dr. Slump dub with DanielGClapp restoring the dub forever with the DVD-Box footage.

[Pokewhiz7]

I have my fingers crossed as well. I think anything is possible.

^^

[Android 50]

lol at no one wanting to upload any of it.

Think of it this way, there's many people with copies of dragonball's original run but how many have taken the time to upload it? Nun, zip, nadda with the exception of Key17 and the other guy that I forget.

I'm not doing it cause I don't want to ruin the tapes, I no longer care for it's picture just it's sound. It's no more than storing the original audio which I have in a vault(not an ordinary vault either).

If I mess up just one episode, where am I going to get another copy? My family/cousins would be pissed as we spent a decade recording that!

I understand. I wasn't trying to pressure anyone. Just thought it was weird no one wanted to post a clip of a copy but now that you've explained why i really can't say anything.

[superrayman3]

I'm not doing it cause I don't want to ruin the tapes, I no longer care for it's picture just it's sound. It's no more than storing the original audio which I have in a vault(not an ordinary vault either).

If I mess up just one episode, where am I going to get another copy? My family/cousins would be pissed as we spent a decade recording that!

Isn't there a few VCR & DVD systems out there that alows a user to copy a VHS to a DVD? If thats the case then all that would have to be done is copy those VHS tapes to DVD which IDT would ruin the tape and that could be a win/win situation for everyone because then the tapes can be stored and the copied video from the dvd could be uploaded for all to see. Just thought id share that tidbit with everyone.

[dario03]

lol at no one wanting to upload any of it.

Think of it this way, there's many people with copies of dragonball's original run but how many have taken the time to upload it? Nun, zip, nadda with the exception of Key17 and the other guy that I forget.

I'm not doing it cause I don't want to ruin the tapes, I no longer care for it's picture just it's sound. It's no more than storing the original audio which I have in a vault(not an ordinary vault either).

If I mess up just one episode, where am I going to get another copy? My family/cousins would be pissed as we spent a decade recording that!

I can understand not wanting to upload copyrighted material (though isn't there a time limit or something? Especially since HG doesn't own the rights anymore) but if you actually do want to keep copies for yourself wouldn't it be better to make copies? I would think digital copies stored on a computer, multiple discs, internet storage, etc, would be saver than keeping it on one old home made VHS. Even if nothing happens to the tape don't those tapes degrade over time even if they're just sitting around?

[Daimo-Rukiri]

lol at no one wanting to upload any of it.

Think of it this way, there's many people with copies of dragonball's original run but how many have taken the time to upload it? Nun, zip, nadda with the exception of Key17 and the other guy that I forget.

I'm not doing it cause I don't want to ruin the tapes, I no longer care for it's picture just it's sound. It's no more than storing the original audio which I have in a vault(not an ordinary vault either).

If I mess up just one episode, where am I going to get another copy? My family/cousins would be pissed as we spent a decade recording that!

I can understand not wanting to upload copyrighted material (though isn't there a time limit or something? Especially since HG doesn't own the rights anymore) but if you actually do want to keep copies for yourself wouldn't it be better to make copies? I would think digital copies stored on a computer, multiple discs, internet storage, etc, would be saver than keeping it on one old home made VHS. Even if nothing happens to the tape don't those tapes degrade over time even if they're just sitting around?

I have 30 year old tapes that work perfectly, but I'll have to digitize them eventually..

[superrayman3]

I can understand not wanting to upload copyrighted material (though isn't there a time limit or something? Especially since HG doesn't own the rights anymore)

Actualy I think your technicaly right about that, since HG doesn't own the rights to DB anymore couldn't their dub be considered public domain?

[dario03]

I can understand not wanting to upload copyrighted material (though isn't there a time limit or something? Especially since HG doesn't own the rights anymore)

Actualy I think your technicaly right about that, since HG doesn't own the rights to DB anymore couldn't their dub be considered public domain?

I'm not really sure but I did a quick check. AFAIK HG doesn't own any rights to Dragonball in America anymore but others do so maybe you still can't distribute it. And there could also be a time frame for it as well. Kind of like how even if you do own rights to something it is supposed to only be for a limited time but they just keep extending that time frame. The "Mickey Mouse Protection Act" made it so that for a corporate creation its either 120 years after creation or 95 years after publication, but I think thats for new creations and don't know how that works with dubs of somebody elses work.

[VegettoEX]

Actualy I think your technicaly right about that, since HG doesn't own the rights to DB anymore couldn't their dub be considered public domain?

That's... not how copyright and intellectual property law works.

Short answer, no.

[sangofe]

Actualy I think your technicaly right about that, since HG doesn't own the rights to DB anymore couldn't their dub be considered public domain?

That's... not how copyright and intellectual property law works.

Short answer, no.

I'm guessing Toei own the rights?

[superrayman3]

That's... not copyright and intellectual propery laws works.

Short answer, no.

Well since the HG dub cant be considered public domain I'm pretty sure it could still safely uploaded under the "Fair Use Law" since in this case it would be for educational and historical purposes.

[VegettoEX]

That's a huge stretch.

It basically boils down to, "I don't have it and I want it!"... and no court is going to consider that "fair use". There is no significant historical value to a random dub of a random TV show worth preserving to anyone other than folks -- like all of us -- who just want to whine on the Internet about it.

[Gonstead]

I can understand not being able to stream like an entire episode without permission but surely a small clip or two wouldn't hurt?

[superrayman3]

That's a huge stretch.

It basically boils down to, "I don't have it and I want it!"...

and you think i'm the only one who wants this dub? cause I'm sure a lot of DB fans want it and even if I was at least i'm willing to say so.

and no court is going to consider that "fair use".

Considering the fact that the dub was only test marketed and was never released to the general public I think the courts would say otherwise.

There is no significant historical value to a random dub of a random TV show worth preserving to anyone other than folks -- like all of us -- who just want to whine on the Internet about it.

Just because
that's how "YOU" feel about the dub, doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.

[VegettoEX]

You're acting like I don't love the series and don't also want every single last aspect of it to be mine, mine, mine, me, tooooooooooo!

I dunno. Maybe because I've actually received letters about intellectual property/content. Maybe because I actively follow court battles over similar things. I don't want this to come across as holier-than-thou, and I admit that it treads in that direction... but I honestly think I'm being far more realistic about it than you are.

You don't seem to understand the legal precedent over this kind of stuff, and aren't stepping back to evaluate it as anything other than an emotional thing. You're falling into too many traps that way.