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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by CaBrPi » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:42 pm

Piccolo vs #17 is really short in the manga. I actually like the anime version of that scene better.

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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:00 pm

Manga: Piccolo vs. Freeza felt really short, even without taking the anime into account. It really felt like it should've been longer to better showcase how much stronger Piccolo had become, but instead we got a couple of pages of quick exchanges and both of them deciding to not hold back before Freeza transforms into his third form.

SS2 Gokuu vs. SS2 Majin Vegeta was meant to be the two rivals' great rematch, yet it was ridiculously short and we barely saw anything.

Vegetto vs. Boo. I liked the fact that the anime had Vegetto actually fight Boo in base, rather than immediately turn it up to SS and overpower him. They actually didn't give Vegetto too much of an advantage from the beginning, so this is one of the instances of filler that's actually good. And then that scene where Boo generates that massive planet-destroying ball, and Vegetto gets driven into the ground before walking back up and kicking it into space. Then he transforms and shit gets real.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by Krakabeast » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:21 am

Tao Pai Pai versus Goku(second encounter)!

I was not satisfied with the one-sidedness of this fight. Tao Pai Pai was awesome and should not have had to resort to chucking a grenade so suddenly when things weren't going his way. I mean he took out Blue with his tongue for God's sake!
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by DBZ Mick » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:38 am

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xXInfinite026Xx wrote:Goku vs Freeza!
Let it happen, even with the anime version, 30 episodes where half of it is mindless jabber and cutways is too short. :x
I can actually somewhat understand this. A mjaority of the Freeza fight is more Gohan, Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta trying different tactics on Freeza and failing. It's only when SSJ Goku fights 100% Full Power Freeza where it gets into a full on fight. That's why I like those parts best.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by Choujin Daizenshuu » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:22 pm

DBZ Mick wrote:I can actually somewhat understand this. A mjaority of the Freeza fight is more Gohan, Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta trying different tactics on Freeza and failing. It's only when SSJ Goku fights 100% Full Power Freeza where it gets into a full on fight. That's why I like those parts best.
Isn't this issue already resolved with Kai?

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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by Hades » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:17 pm

Trunks vs. King Cold.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by perucho1990 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:35 pm

SSJ2 Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell.

Cell's death sucked big time in the manga.

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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by DBZ Mick » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:36 pm

Choujin Daizenshuu wrote:
DBZ Mick wrote:I can actually somewhat understand this. A mjaority of the Freeza fight is more Gohan, Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta trying different tactics on Freeza and failing. It's only when SSJ Goku fights 100% Full Power Freeza where it gets into a full on fight. That's why I like those parts best.
Isn't this issue already resolved with Kai?
I'm not sure, but like I said the only time it actually became a full on fight was when SSJ Goku and Freeza were fighting to the death as Namek died around them.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by Gonstead » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:17 am

Hades wrote:Trunks vs. King Cold.
perucho1990 wrote:SSJ2 Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell.

Cell's death sucked big time in the manga.
These two. What a waste of potential.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:28 am

Personally, I don't think King Cold had that much potential in the first place. Yeah, he's Freeza's father, but even that kind of demeans the impact of Freeza, since he's apparently even higher than him in the organization, but just runs things in the shadows and no-one even knows him for some reason.

Freeza's return and defeat was just hype for Trunks and the Androids, so what use would there have been dragging out some pointless fight between Trunks and King Cold if we know that Trunks is going to win? It'd just be like Gokuu vs. Freeza all over again.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by GotenDaisuki » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:07 pm

I'd say Goku versus Panputto in the 22nd Budoukai. The first time I saw it I was expecting a good battle but...
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by mysticboy » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:31 pm

Piccolo vs. Vegeta. Ok, that never never really happened, but it would still have been a great fight.

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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:11 pm

GotenDaisuki wrote:I'd say Goku versus Panputto in the 22nd Budoukai. The first time I saw it I was expecting a good battle but...
It's Panputto. Against Gokuu. What did you expect? Its entire purpose was to show how strong Gokuu had become, and how weak these renowned world champions were in comparison.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by GotenDaisuki » Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:14 pm

He showed that off pretty well in the preliminaries against Chapa, though. I expected it to be more like the fights between him and Giran or Namu, who were even weaker than Panputto. At the same time, Goku was much weaker than he was at that point. Also, it was a fight in the actual tournament and not a prelim.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:57 pm

GotenDaisuki wrote:He showed that off pretty well in the preliminaries against Chapa, though. I expected it to be more like the fights between him and Giran or Namu, who were even weaker than Panputto. At the same time, Goku was much weaker than he was at that point. Also, it was a fight in the actual tournament and not a prelim.
Well, Gokuu knocked out Chapa in one attack, so why would he do any worse in Panput?
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by GotenDaisuki » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:37 pm

I'm saying the fight should have at least been more than Goku winning with one attack. Because we already saw this with Chapa, I think it wasn't necessary to show it again, and so I would have liked that fight to be longer.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by Gaffer Tape » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:48 pm

I agree. We already got the "Goku can beat great masters in one hit" thing. Doing it again against Panputto was just a needless repeat. There was no need to give us the same information again so soon, and it really just wasted a tournament match. Toriyama should have either cut the Chappa fight entirely (so that Goku's easy win against Panputto is a great shock) or actually have a real fight between Goku and Panputto. Doing both was redundant.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by Insertclevername » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:52 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Personally, I don't think King Cold had that much potential in the first place. Yeah, he's Freeza's father, but even that kind of demeans the impact of Freeza, since he's apparently even higher than him in the organization, but just runs things in the shadows and no-one even knows him for some reason.

Freeza's return and defeat was just hype for Trunks and the Androids, so what use would there have been dragging out some pointless fight between Trunks and King Cold if we know that Trunks is going to win? It'd just be like Gokuu vs. Freeza all over again.

I agree, why make a fight longer if there is no real purpose for it story wise. The whole reason Trunks even killed Cold was to show off his strength.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:59 pm

Speaking of Panputto, it's a shame Toriyama didn't have Bora fill in his slot. That would have been interesting, I think.
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Re: Fights that should have lasted longer

Post by rereboy » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:39 pm

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Piccolo Daimao wrote:Personally, I don't think King Cold had that much potential in the first place. Yeah, he's Freeza's father, but even that kind of demeans the impact of Freeza, since he's apparently even higher than him in the organization, but just runs things in the shadows and no-one even knows him for some reason.

Freeza's return and defeat was just hype for Trunks and the Androids, so what use would there have been dragging out some pointless fight between Trunks and King Cold if we know that Trunks is going to win? It'd just be like Gokuu vs. Freeza all over again.

I agree, why make a fight longer if there is no real purpose for it story wise. The whole reason Trunks even killed Cold was to show off his strength.
Because it could have looked pretty awesome if the fight itself had some pretty good moves. That's what Dragon Ball sometimes lacks.

Besides, Toriyama could have easily made Cold stronger than Freeza (via a transformation or not) and give us a quick but awesome looking fight between the two, which would have made Trunks look even more badass by being able to easily kill Freeza and someone stronger than Freeza just after that without much trouble.

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