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nickzambuto wrote:I think Schemmel knows how to capture happy go-lucky curious and innocent Goku just as well as Nozawa. It's those moments when he becomes real low and drop-dead, cold-stone serious that I think are out of character, but that's probably just direction.
Also Stephanie Nadolny did a fantastic job *runs*
How is his voice getting deeper when serious out of character? Nozawa has a naturally higher voice than Schemmel does
ABED wrote:
nickzambuto wrote:I think Schemmel knows how to capture happy go-lucky curious and innocent Goku just as well as Nozawa. It's those moments when he becomes real low and drop-dead, cold-stone serious that I think are out of character, but that's probably just direction.
Also Stephanie Nadolny did a fantastic job *runs*
How is that out of character?
I said low, not deep. Although maybe I worded myself wrong, I've just been listening to some clips of Schemmel in Kai when he's having low and tense banter with Piccolo and Freeza, and since I'm in the middle of rewatching the series in Japanese at the moment, I've gotten used to Nozawa and so he just struck me as a little off. Although now that I continue watching more clips, I'm getting used to it again.
Speaking of voices. I don't like Nozawa's voice for anyone other than Gohan.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Kanassa wrote:Speaking of voices. I don't like Nozawa's voice for anyone other than Gohan.
Why ? Gohan is her worst role. Also no love for Black ? I've heard dub fans that hated the sub love that voice.
I felt her voices suited Gohan the most. I found both Goku and Goten's very annoying, and Black... Yeah, for me that voice just doesn't fit him. All his intimitation factordissapate for me when that voice comes out of him. It'd be like Darth Vader having Mickey Mouse's sick cousin as a VA.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Kanassa wrote:Speaking of voices. I don't like Nozawa's voice for anyone other than Gohan.
Why ? Gohan is her worst role. Also no love for Black ? I've heard dub fans that hated the sub love that voice.
I felt her voices suited Gohan the most. I found both Goku and Goten's very annoying, and Black... Yeah, for me that voice just doesn't fit him. All his intimitation factordissapate for me when that voice comes out of him. It'd be like Darth Vader having Mickey Mouse's sick cousin as a VA.
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Kanassa wrote:Speaking of voices. I don't like Nozawa's voice for anyone other than Gohan.
What about kid Goku? I feel like her portrayal of the character makes a lot more sense if you see the progression during the original series. Her kid voice gets slightly deeper as you would expect from someone who goes through puberty vs in the dub were the voice completely transforms.
I can see why her performance could come as a bit of a shock, especially to someone who jumps straight into Z from say, the English dub for example.
Kendamu wrote:
AjayLikesGaming wrote:If you put out untouched footage, someone like me is going to take it and turn it into a perfect release. Someone not like me is going to do the same and share it instead. You give pirates the opportunity to do better than companies and people will jump on that so fast.
This is an 80s/90s animated all-ages show that was popular amongst kids. It's not some potent super weapon that might fall into the wrong hands that we have to protect from evil.
Kanassa wrote:Speaking of voices. I don't like Nozawa's voice for anyone other than Gohan.
What about kid Goku? I feel like her portrayal of the character makes a lot more sense if you see the progression during the original series. Her kid voice gets slightly deeper as you would expect from someone who goes through puberty vs in the dub were the voice completely transforms.
I can see why her performance could come as a bit of a shock, especially to someone who jumps straight into Z from say, the English dub for example.
Uh, her performance didn't come a sa shock. I just didn't like it. And I have not heard her do Kid Goku, though I'e heard that it's basically her Goten performance.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Kanassa wrote:Speaking of voices. I don't like Nozawa's voice for anyone other than Gohan.
Why ? Gohan is her worst role. Also no love for Black ? I've heard dub fans that hated the sub love that voice.
I felt her voices suited Gohan the most. I found both Goku and Goten's very annoying, and Black... Yeah, for me that voice just doesn't fit him. All his intimitation factordissapate for me when that voice comes out of him. It'd be like Darth Vader having Mickey Mouse's sick cousin as a VA.
Except that Goku isn't at all like Darth Vader. Goku has the appearance and personality of a affable, fun loving warrior, not a dark, evil dictator.
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Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
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Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
Soppa Saia People wrote:
Why ? Gohan is her worst role. Also no love for Black ? I've heard dub fans that hated the sub love that voice.
I felt her voices suited Gohan the most. I found both Goku and Goten's very annoying, and Black... Yeah, for me that voice just doesn't fit him. All his intimitation factordissapate for me when that voice comes out of him. It'd be like Darth Vader having Mickey Mouse's sick cousin as a VA.
Except that Goku isn't at all like Darth Vader. Goku has the appearance and personality of a affable, fun loving warrior, not a dark, evil dictator.
I do have to admit, I love her performance as Goku Black. She may be past her prime as Son Goku, but she's hit her stride as Evil Goku. Just listen to how much her Evil Goku voice has improved since she was Tullece in movie 3.
I don't think that's so controversial. To my knowledge, people use the two interchangeably. Although "Ki" is more popular, simply because the show is more popular than the comic.
Kanassa wrote:
Uh, her performance didn't come a sa shock. I just didn't like it. And I have not heard her do Kid Goku, though I'e heard that it's basically her Goten performance.
I think that lack of progression is what turns people off. The performance makes sense if you watched her as Goku in Dragon Ball than again as Goku in Z. It's ok not to like it, I wouldn't consider myself the biggest fan either(though I do love her kid Goku) for long time fans she simply is Goku's voice. So like it or not that's just what the guy sounds like in a sense.
Kendamu wrote:
AjayLikesGaming wrote:If you put out untouched footage, someone like me is going to take it and turn it into a perfect release. Someone not like me is going to do the same and share it instead. You give pirates the opportunity to do better than companies and people will jump on that so fast.
This is an 80s/90s animated all-ages show that was popular amongst kids. It's not some potent super weapon that might fall into the wrong hands that we have to protect from evil.
Okay, on the topic of Nozawa's progression not being appreciated if you don't watch Dragon Ball, that's another thing.
Although I'm sure this isn't unpopular around here, but the idea of skipping Dragon Ball and going straight to Z is nothing short of absurd. Even a great film like The Godfather, if you just turned it on randomly at the 50 minute mark and acted like that was the complete package, and the first half of the film was just some minor, unimportant prequel material, you'd probably have a lot of problems with it as well.
THEY ARE ONE STORY. DAMN YOU TOEI FOR SEPARATING IT
nickzambuto wrote:Okay, on the topic of Nozawa's progression not being appreciated if you don't watch Dragon Ball, that's another thing.
Although I'm sure this isn't unpopular around here, but the idea of skipping Dragon Ball and going straight to Z is nothing short of absurd. Even a great film like The Godfather, if you just turned it on randomly at the 50 minute mark and acted like that was the complete package, and the first half of the film was just some minor, unimportant prequel material, you'd probably have a lot of problems with it as well.
THEY ARE ONE STORY. DAMN YOU TOEI FOR SEPARATING IT
It wasn't Toei that separated them; "Z" aired the week after DB, in the exact same timeslot.
Funimation is the one that started all this bullshit. If that hadn't been a thing, you wouldn't have legions of "fans" clamoring that it's totally okay to skip the formative material of the franchise.
But had it not been separated into DB and DBZ, I don't think FUNimation would have skipped ahead to the Saiyan arc after the first 13 episodes of DB weren't successful.
I know this sounds rather pedantic, but I wouldn't call DB the "formative material". It's just the beginning of the story. "Formative material" makes it sound like an extended flashback that you need to get through to get to the actual story.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't like skipping. Saying skip DB and start with DBZ is like saying skip the first two parts of Jojo and start with Stardust Crusaders.
The funny thing about that: That idea actually occurs! In JoJo's case, you can get away with it easier than with Dragon Ball, but the story is undoubtedly weaker for it. I don't understand the need for skipping with so many series. It seems as if the concept has become prevalent as time passes. If you're supposed to consume media in your free time, then what's the rush?
Nejishiki wrote:
The funny thing about that: That actually occurs! In JoJo's case, you can get away with it easier than with Dragon Ball, but the story is undoubtedly weaker for it. I don't understand the need for skipping with so many series. It seems as if the idea has become prevalent as time passes. If you're supposed to consume media in your free time, then what's the rush?
I wouldn't ever say skipping is good when it comes to DB but ,I gotta say, it's very tempting with some series like Naruto or One Piece. Especially Naruto with it's filler arcs that continue to anime for 3 years after the manga's already ended When you think about it that way, the Dragon Ball franchise really got it made in that aspect.
It's not like DBZ didn't have tons of filler as well, it's just mixed in with Canon material which makes it unskippable.
Though I will admit it definitely holds up better than Naruto or One Piece. I haven't watched the dragged out One Piece anime in years.
Kendamu wrote:
AjayLikesGaming wrote:If you put out untouched footage, someone like me is going to take it and turn it into a perfect release. Someone not like me is going to do the same and share it instead. You give pirates the opportunity to do better than companies and people will jump on that so fast.
This is an 80s/90s animated all-ages show that was popular amongst kids. It's not some potent super weapon that might fall into the wrong hands that we have to protect from evil.
When you think about it that way, the Dragon Ball franchise really got it made in that aspect.