Why do you insist on explaining every single detail instead of the important points? You act as though I've never seen the series or read the manga. The training at most was similar. There's nothing that says he had to learn the same lesson from Whis. Whis and Beerus's training is a more sophisticated application of what he learned prior, but not the same thing. You drew inferences from vague statements.Mago_Gosora wrote:My reference is everything Mr Popo told Son Gokuh at kami's temple in the manga, but in addition to that is the things he demonstrated at the tournament also point to his training being the difference in the fight vs Piccolo Jr.
Gokuh demonstrated the same things to Ten Shinhan that Mr Popo demonstrated to him during the initial test fight Popo gave him. Which means his training was a success. And about halfway through the fight between Piccolo Jr & Son Gokuh, Muten Roshi remarks noticing despite using a strong Kamehameha after all he'd done in that fight his stamina was still the same and wondered what kind of training he'd received. The reader knows the training he was receiving. Training that would teach him to empty his mind and soul, to control his ki so not to waste movement so he could fight even in an environment without a lot of oxygen without wearing himself out or depleting his stamina, and eventually gaining the ability to fight while moving as quick as lightning by staying tranquil as the sky.
Like I said, learning to sense ki was only a part - not the whole - of his training at kami's temple. This is why sensing ki was not something that necessarily helped him win the fight against Piccolo Jr. However controlling his own ki, moving quickly with the ability to simply react to movement, and being able to do so without wasting movements and wearing himself out too quickly did make the difference in the fight. Before kami's temple, he did not have what it takes to be the tenkaichi. Kami explains that to him when he told him that Piccolo Jr would be training for the tournament and be stronger than Piccolo Daimao was before. After this training, even kami during the fight vs Piccolo Jr, acknowledged that it was not possible for Son Gokuh to win. And ultimately he did.
And I didn't say sensing ki was the whole of his training. Is that unclear?
In any event, I think we've said all there is on this topic.