90sDBZ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:36 am
Yuli Ban wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:41 am
But again, this just would've been a silly fantheory that it was Goku's cries that made Broly insane, a troll-worthy answer if not for how aggressively the localization team tripled down on this explanation. They also scrubbed away Broly's insane desire to fight at all costs to instead make him plainly insane. He constantly complements the senshi for their fighting spirit and prowess, suggesting he actually respects them and is really beating them to death because of an instinctive Saiyan battlelust and spontaneous acts of violence. He only becomes insane after he's defeated by Goku, who his Super Saiyan nature now drives him to focus solely on defeating.
The dub version made him into a black-hearted sadist who mocks the senshi at every turn, considers them wastes of blood, and hated Goku from the beginning. Especially in the games.
The fans played the games and read the character bios. They all had this explanation, for many odd years.
TFS didn't do anything that wasn't already there. They just burned it in with memes. But then again their whole shtick from the start was to parody the American dub of DBZ, so of course they were going to lampoon the "Goku's cries made Broly insane" thing. It's seeing their supplemental material, their continued mention of Broly as a tear-driven berserker and as someone who hated Goku because he cried rather than someone he didn't hate at all but rather explosively needed to fight that makes me wonder if they're even aware of Broly's Japanese nature.
This is an interesting take on Broly, but I don't entirely agree. He was already a blackhearted sadist in the original, blowing up the slaves' planet and laughing like a lunatic, licking blood off his face and smiling, taking obvious pleasure in torturing his opponents, repeatedly trying to kill Gohan to spite Goku, and even calling himself a demon.
People on this site have a tendancy to blame every little misconception on Funimation's dub, even when it's completely unfounded.
I never said he wasn''t evil; just that FUNimation turned him into even more of a sadist, presumably to make him more appealing to Western audiences.
As others mentioned, when it comes to many narrative incongruencies in Dragon Ball, they usually come back to Toei. FUNimation and Ocean's greatest sins were localization issues that changed a few things for little to no reason (is there any reason Freeza needs an "i" other than trademark purposes?), often comical voice acting choices (in some cases the only reason why I think the voices fit is because I grew up with them, not because they actually sound fitting), and especially in Ocean's case, the lackadaisical attempt at translation in general and just making shit up. That's what people don't like, especially considering Dragon Ball had finished its run and was already a major phenomenon elsewhere so it wasn't like the lads and ladettes at Saban were unaware of Bardock when they penned that "brilliant scientist" line; it's not like they were simuldubbing Dragon Ball Z as it aired. It's a bit different than what was mentioned before. A lot of those things were retcons because of the anime making up something that Toriyama later went against. They had no excuse!
As for Broly...
In the original, his aggressiveness stems from his Saiyan nature. He's the legendary Super Saiyan precisely because of his uncontrollable Saiyan lust for battle and destruction is otherworldly. Hence why it's the Legendary Super Saiyan. He basically fights on instinct, with all his Saiyan traits brought to the forefront and multiplied. The Legendary Super Saiyan is a form of extreme lust for battle, and his ki reacted explosively to Goku's which caused him to cast off his father's control and finally be a literal "super" Saiyan.
This made him a malevolent berserker, but as mentioned, he still did respect those who fought back because, again, he's the ultimate warrior. The thing about warriors is that they prefer
war, not just slaughter. It's the thrill of combat that gets to him. This is where the FUNi dub screwed up by turning him from a savage warrior completely unleashed and unbound into a psychotic freak who lusts only for destruction.
I never even said that this was necessarily a worse change considering this puts Broly squarely in the realm of Warhammer Orks, Taoist demons, and zombies who crave only causeless destruction and ruination. Personally, I prefer that. Just that this minor change does cause some incongruencies.
I do want to know, however, whether or not Japanese viewers actually thought Broly was left vengeful by Goku's crying. I know we have a couple Japanese users here, so I'd love it if they chimed in. If so, then the issue does stem from the movie's visual narrative muddying things, but if not, then it'd definitely have to be the games causing problems.