Maybe "common knowledge" is a better term. The point is that as soon as Trunks tells Goku that the new enemy is androids/cyborgs, it should immediately click in the audience's minds as to how anyone could surpass Freeza. Everyone knows that robots and artificial beings born in labs are potentially stronger than living creatures. Not only is it simple logic, it's also very common in science fiction and fantasy. Whenever someone is unusually stronger than someone else, the answer is frequently "robot". That's the basic explanation that Toriyama provides and really all the audience needs.ABED wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:50 am You keep using terms like "common sense" and it's silly. None of this is "common sense". How is it common sense that a lone mad scientist is able to create a machine stronger than a Super Saiyan who he didn't even know existed? In the end, the logic is simply "because that's how Toriyama wrote it that way."
But Toriyama doesn't even stop there. He goes on to further justify the explanation by describing just how Gero designed the androids via his research on Goku. That just adds even *more* believability to the logic.
Magic. It's as simple as that. Obviously, with magic, anything is possible. Majin Boo was created purely from black magic. So his power is equally limitless.
Honestly, after a villain like Freeza, there were really only a small number of believable explanations remaining. Science and then magic is more or less it, and Toriyama did both.
Demon Prince Piccolo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:35 pm I read superhero comics from time to time and have read about alternate universes and realities. No, it is not always or even usually a component that the rules work differently or that the alternate universe is naturally stronger. And if it was, the writers would state so because they would want the reader to know this, not merely assume it. More often than not, the rules work exactly the same in the alternate universe.
As ABED said, the rules of an alternate universe work however the writer wants them to work. You mention parallel worlds in superhero comics, and that's certainly true, but that's only *one* possible direction to take in multiverse fiction. There are many others. The point is that all the audience needs to hear is "another universe", and they instantly get that things are likely to be very different with this reality, and to throw out the rulebook. Like you said, Toriyama's not that technical. He doesn't *have* to state every detail explicitly for the reader.
He's only confident in what he was told. King Vegeta may have just been lying his ass off, who knows. I don't think having a few secrets is out of the realm of possibility.goku the krump dancer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:18 amPrince Vegeta also seems confident in anything he discloses about Saiyan culture and politics so I doubt there's anything substantial that his father can teach him, especially considering that King Vegeta died believing that Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God were just myths.MyVisionity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:49 pm Plus, you never know what kind of secrets the King may have been hiding. It could be a good rtunity for some juicy reveals.
But when I say "juicy reveals", I really mean more to do with the King's personal life. Secrets about the family or Vegeta's childhood or something like that.
This is a good point, I hadn't considered that. Hmm...goku the krump dancer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:18 am The Tsufurians had the reputation of being highly technologically advanced, so much so that they were able to give the saiyans some trouble. So if the saiyans can become strong enough to beat Boo, why can't the Tsufurians do the same with their tech?