Moments where you think a dub did better than the original?
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Moments where you think a dub did better than the original?
This can be any dubs not just english. This can also go for DB-DBZ-DBZ Kai-DBGT-Movies. For me here's my list. I'll like for you to explain it please.
English:
Majin Vegeta at the world tournament. The emotion Chris Sabat showed was f***ing badass. The dialong is what made the scene so great. Goku's cocky but caring attitude was great work by Sean. This whole scene was just great work by the Funimation cast. Even Bruce(who I don't like) BGM was amazingly placed here. In my opinion even better then the original audio.
Goku transformed against Janemba. The scream nuff said.
Korean:
Dbz Kai - Goku turns ssj. The scream was my favorite for all of dbz kai's version of the scream. Something about it. It's so natural and have that feeling that makes me scared. Much better then the original Korean dub in Dbz.
Goku body swap in Dbz kai and Gohan realizing it. The acting of Gohan was prefect. Here's a link to it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THIzx7H1l50 . Also my favorite Kid Gohan voice. To bad I only saw DBZ fully in Korean. I've only seen up to Freeza's "Death" on Namek for Dbz kai.
Goku and Vegeta talking in Hell when Goku tells Vegeta he's already dead. The scene was funny. Goku's actor made his voice goofy to say that one line with Vegeta sounding similar to Ryo. Vegeta sounded like be was in pain when he was crying. Then with Goku's caring voice it sounded great. Vegeta then sounding angry was a good fit.
Latino
Goku turning SSJ for the first time. Similar to the Korean dub of dbz kai the scream made this scene 10x better.
Gohan turns ssj2 for the first time on screen. The build up was much better than in the original and Gohan...shaking noises before the transformation was amazing. The scream was great. If Gohan had the Ozzaru sound effect then the would kill the original audio.
Cantonese:
Vegeta turns majin. The best laugh of the series. Sound scary, evil, and fucking badass. You should google it. It amazing. Or just click the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yPOV2QPIzQ
Goku meets Bulma. Can't explain why. But I just like the scene better.
Well I don't want to make the list to long so post your opinions. Maybe I'll agree with them.
English:
Majin Vegeta at the world tournament. The emotion Chris Sabat showed was f***ing badass. The dialong is what made the scene so great. Goku's cocky but caring attitude was great work by Sean. This whole scene was just great work by the Funimation cast. Even Bruce(who I don't like) BGM was amazingly placed here. In my opinion even better then the original audio.
Goku transformed against Janemba. The scream nuff said.
Korean:
Dbz Kai - Goku turns ssj. The scream was my favorite for all of dbz kai's version of the scream. Something about it. It's so natural and have that feeling that makes me scared. Much better then the original Korean dub in Dbz.
Goku body swap in Dbz kai and Gohan realizing it. The acting of Gohan was prefect. Here's a link to it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THIzx7H1l50 . Also my favorite Kid Gohan voice. To bad I only saw DBZ fully in Korean. I've only seen up to Freeza's "Death" on Namek for Dbz kai.
Goku and Vegeta talking in Hell when Goku tells Vegeta he's already dead. The scene was funny. Goku's actor made his voice goofy to say that one line with Vegeta sounding similar to Ryo. Vegeta sounded like be was in pain when he was crying. Then with Goku's caring voice it sounded great. Vegeta then sounding angry was a good fit.
Latino
Goku turning SSJ for the first time. Similar to the Korean dub of dbz kai the scream made this scene 10x better.
Gohan turns ssj2 for the first time on screen. The build up was much better than in the original and Gohan...shaking noises before the transformation was amazing. The scream was great. If Gohan had the Ozzaru sound effect then the would kill the original audio.
Cantonese:
Vegeta turns majin. The best laugh of the series. Sound scary, evil, and fucking badass. You should google it. It amazing. Or just click the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yPOV2QPIzQ
Goku meets Bulma. Can't explain why. But I just like the scene better.
Well I don't want to make the list to long so post your opinions. Maybe I'll agree with them.
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Re: Moments when you think a dub did better then the origina
Never.
Oh wait, once Gohan fired a Masenko and in the Japanese version he cried "Kamehameha", but the English dub got it right.
There. Once.
Oh wait, once Gohan fired a Masenko and in the Japanese version he cried "Kamehameha", but the English dub got it right.
There. Once.
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English
SSJ3 scream against Janemba
Goku's rage after Freeza's Kienzan cheap shot
Goku's Krillin rage in Burt limit
Adult Gohan's voice (I still like Nozawa's, but every time he screams in Japanese I think Goku)
That's all I got at the moment
Malaysian dub
Best official comedy dub.
SSJ3 scream against Janemba
Goku's rage after Freeza's Kienzan cheap shot
Goku's Krillin rage in Burt limit
Adult Gohan's voice (I still like Nozawa's, but every time he screams in Japanese I think Goku)
That's all I got at the moment
Malaysian dub
Best official comedy dub.
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Re: Moments when you think a dub did better then the origina
FUNi English:
-What penguintruth said.
-The explaination of how Cell regenerated after blowing himself up.
I have next to no familiarity with any other international dubs, so that's all I got.
-What penguintruth said.
-The explaination of how Cell regenerated after blowing himself up.
I have next to no familiarity with any other international dubs, so that's all I got.
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I'm not sure that it's necessarily better, but Funimation's English dub for the Garlic Jr. arc is arguably more entertaining. That arc is so, so, so bad that the dumb re-writes actually help it. The purist in me balks at writing that, and yet it folds, because I know that I'd rather be laughing at ridiculously stupid lines like "COME TO BIG DADDY GARLIC!" then experience the stupor that the Japanese version puts me in.
Going to Kai, I'm going to say this now--English Cell tops Japanese Cell. Easily. I simply cannot get past Wakamoto's new voice for the character.
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Goku's "our old race is dead" speech to Vegeta right before they fused was an improvement. Not only is it just better written than the original (which is essentially an unremarkable "we aren't strong enough" admonishment), it actually makes more sense as something that would legitimately convince Vegeta since the power increase would have been apparent to him even without Goku having to say it.
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I can think of scenes that are on par or ones that are good in their own way but I can't think of anything "better". Except for that "How Hercule Beat Cell" movie.
I always assumed that was done on purpose as sort of a "I'm being strong like my dad" type thing.penguintruth wrote:Never.
Oh wait, once Gohan fired a Masenko and in the Japanese version he cried "Kamehameha", but the English dub got it right.
There. Once.
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Any time Goku, Goten, Gohan or Bardock speak.
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Oh yeah, I remember that. It's definitely better than the Japanese dub, which is pretty much just "Flashback of how everyone got killed or absorbed to pad the episode." It's not horrible, but in such a good episode with an exceptionally good fight, it really sticks out.TonyTheTiger wrote:Goku's "our old race is dead" speech to Vegeta right before they fused was an improvement. Not only is it just better written than the original (which is essentially an unremarkable "we aren't strong enough" admonishment), it actually makes more sense as something that would legitimately convince Vegeta since the power increase would have been apparent to him even without Goku having to say it.
Kudos to Funimation for that at least.
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As much as I dislike the Funimation dub, I quite liked their version of Buu's arrival on Kami's Palace much better than the original Japanese version (just before the episode ends). It really captures the feeling of "oh shit, we're screwed".
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I suppose there are a few Funi voices I prefer to the original.
Kent Williams as Dr Gero.
Bradford Jackson as King Cold.
Dameon Clark as Semi Perfect Cell.
Chris Sabat as Super Yi Xing Long/Omega Shenlong.
Oh yeah, the talking/narrating during flash backs, if you were just jumping into DBZ and saw one of the flash backs you wouldn't have a clue what was happening. The flash backs in the Japanese version seem more like they were there to stretch the run time then to actually refresh the viewers memory or fill in newcomers.
Kent Williams as Dr Gero.
Bradford Jackson as King Cold.
Dameon Clark as Semi Perfect Cell.
Chris Sabat as Super Yi Xing Long/Omega Shenlong.
Oh yeah, the talking/narrating during flash backs, if you were just jumping into DBZ and saw one of the flash backs you wouldn't have a clue what was happening. The flash backs in the Japanese version seem more like they were there to stretch the run time then to actually refresh the viewers memory or fill in newcomers.
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Re: Moments when you think a dub did better then the origina
The Cell Games reenactment movie during the 25th TB in the Funi dub.
Re: Moments when you think a dub did better then the origina
I wouldn't call it "better," but my heavy nostalgia for the FUNimation dub of Movie 5 outweighs whatever merits the original has.
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Uh, a real answer...? Maybe Supaa Bejiita no Biggu Ban Atakku-da!! in Kai, per Chris Sabat. Horikawa was obviously nothing to snuff at, but nothing is gonna top the original Z performance there. That entire scene is a treat when you consider how freaking awful the original dub is, both in performance and script. He doesn't even freaking say "Big Bang Attack" in the Z dub.
I WATCHED A CHAAAAAANGE
IN YOOOOOOU
IT'S LIKE YOU NEVAAAAAAA
HAD WIIINGS
Uh, a real answer...? Maybe Supaa Bejiita no Biggu Ban Atakku-da!! in Kai, per Chris Sabat. Horikawa was obviously nothing to snuff at, but nothing is gonna top the original Z performance there. That entire scene is a treat when you consider how freaking awful the original dub is, both in performance and script. He doesn't even freaking say "Big Bang Attack" in the Z dub.
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I prefer the metal bands for movies like the Coola one or the Broli one since those movies are pretty much just dumb fighting for the whole movie. My only complainant is that the lyrics don't really fit making me wish they had used instrumental versions of the songs. Here's my favorite example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCZu_4ISA7o The tone of the song in terms of instrumentals and melody is actually placed rather well, but the lyrics? "I took you home"? Oh wait, I get it now. The lyrics say "I watched you change" because he changed into a Super Super Saiyan!!!!!
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LOL. Respect that opinion even through I disagree. Just the way you typed it me me laughSaiga wrote:Any time Goku, Goten, Gohan or Bardock speak.
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Oh and I prefer Sonny Straits Bardok. http://youtu.be/UYEt58DU2PQ?t=8m24s The way Buu goes from a deep voice into a high pitch scream is really well done and the piano music is placed rather well.
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Re: Moments when you think a dub did better then the origina
Chris Sabat as the Dictator. Was better in my view and you can tell he had fun with that role. Also most of the time when "Ginyu Transformation" plays, you know something big is gonna happen. And while it's true DBZ's sister shows are better at what tvtropes calls "woolseyisms", I did find the scene of Trunks and Goten relieving themselves funnier than the Japanese.
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Now, I don't think one is "better" than the other. I think both the American dub and Japanese dub are unique in their own respects. I prefer the Faulconer score with the American dub as opposed to the Japanese music with the American dub, but on a whole, obviously find the vocal range of the Japanese cast better. But I think Funimation took a lot of compelling lines even further beyond. So on some scenes I prefer the Funimation versions with the Faulconer music over other "canon" or "proper verbatim" lines... sometimes.
Here are a few that I particularly enjoy more so than the original script:
Super Saiyan Goku versus Freeza lines:
Goku:" It's done."
Freeza: "What do you mean?!...Don't just stand there say something! You said its done what do you mean?!"
Goku: "Your energy level is decreasing with every blow, in fact you're not even a challenge to me any more. It wouldn't be fair for me to keep fighting you. I'm satisfied now. Your pride has been torn to shreds. You've challenged and lost to a fighter who is superior to you. And to make it worse he's just a monkey...right? It would be meaningless to fight you now. You're too scared and ashamed. Live with the shock. Keep it bottled up inside you. Silently."
Goku: "Goodbye Frieza, never do mischief again. May you live the rest of your life in peace."
Goku: "I don't understand why you call Saiyans by such mindless names. The only thing it does is reveal your own fear and ignorance. I guess name calling is your only attack because you're too WEAK to challenge me any other way!"
Filler episode where Vegeta talks to Raditz and Nappa about Freeza:
Vegeta: "Strength is the only thing that matters in this world. Everything else is just a delusion for the weak.
There is only one certainty in life...a strong man stands above and conquers all!!!"
Vegeta versus Pui Pui. http://youtu.be/bthV2eFZuCY
(1:24)
Vegeta: "Welcome to the end of your life. And I promise it's going to hurt. Ready for the pain?"
(5:12)
Vegeta: "Maybe if this was 500 times gravity you might have an advantage. But ten...I don't even feel it."
Majin Vegeta at the Tenkaichi Budokai
Majin Vegeta: "Spend most of your life ruled by another. Watch your race dwindle to a handful. And THEN TELL ME What has more meaning than your own strength. I have in me the blood of a Saiyan prince, he is nothing but a joke! Yet I've had to watch him surpass me in strength. My destiny thrown to the wayside. He's-he's even saved my life as though I were a helpless child. He has stolen my honor...And his debts MUST BE paid."
Majin Vegeta versus Goku
Majin Vegeta: "So Kakarot the table has been set, NOW LET US BEGIN!!"
Majin Vegeta: "Get out of my head. I already told you. I will not be distracted from this anymore. I won't! It will take more than head games to stop me! You may have invaded my mind and my body, but there is one thing a Saiyan Always keeps HIS PRIIIIIDE!!!"
Now, I don't think one is "better" than the other. I think both the American dub and Japanese dub are unique in their own respects. I prefer the Faulconer score with the American dub as opposed to the Japanese music with the American dub, but on a whole, obviously find the vocal range of the Japanese cast better. But I think Funimation took a lot of compelling lines even further beyond. So on some scenes I prefer the Funimation versions with the Faulconer music over other "canon" or "proper verbatim" lines... sometimes.
Here are a few that I particularly enjoy more so than the original script:
Super Saiyan Goku versus Freeza lines:
Goku:" It's done."
Freeza: "What do you mean?!...Don't just stand there say something! You said its done what do you mean?!"
Goku: "Your energy level is decreasing with every blow, in fact you're not even a challenge to me any more. It wouldn't be fair for me to keep fighting you. I'm satisfied now. Your pride has been torn to shreds. You've challenged and lost to a fighter who is superior to you. And to make it worse he's just a monkey...right? It would be meaningless to fight you now. You're too scared and ashamed. Live with the shock. Keep it bottled up inside you. Silently."
Goku: "Goodbye Frieza, never do mischief again. May you live the rest of your life in peace."
Goku: "I don't understand why you call Saiyans by such mindless names. The only thing it does is reveal your own fear and ignorance. I guess name calling is your only attack because you're too WEAK to challenge me any other way!"
Filler episode where Vegeta talks to Raditz and Nappa about Freeza:
Vegeta: "Strength is the only thing that matters in this world. Everything else is just a delusion for the weak.
There is only one certainty in life...a strong man stands above and conquers all!!!"
Vegeta versus Pui Pui. http://youtu.be/bthV2eFZuCY
(1:24)
Vegeta: "Welcome to the end of your life. And I promise it's going to hurt. Ready for the pain?"
(5:12)
Vegeta: "Maybe if this was 500 times gravity you might have an advantage. But ten...I don't even feel it."
Majin Vegeta at the Tenkaichi Budokai
Majin Vegeta: "Spend most of your life ruled by another. Watch your race dwindle to a handful. And THEN TELL ME What has more meaning than your own strength. I have in me the blood of a Saiyan prince, he is nothing but a joke! Yet I've had to watch him surpass me in strength. My destiny thrown to the wayside. He's-he's even saved my life as though I were a helpless child. He has stolen my honor...And his debts MUST BE paid."
Majin Vegeta versus Goku
Majin Vegeta: "So Kakarot the table has been set, NOW LET US BEGIN!!"
Majin Vegeta: "Get out of my head. I already told you. I will not be distracted from this anymore. I won't! It will take more than head games to stop me! You may have invaded my mind and my body, but there is one thing a Saiyan Always keeps HIS PRIIIIIDE!!!"
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"Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy." ~ Sir Winston Chruchill / Dragon Ball Z in a nutshell
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Pretty much every single thing...especially Bruce Falcunor's music.
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No, no, no. The Z dub will never be better than the original. It's pretty much a fact since the beginning. If you are talking about Kai, then that's a different story.
I can point out a few instances that Kai is on par with the original Japanese. Like Vegeta's first transformation into Super Saiyan in the front of the Artificial Humans. Sabat's delivery is top notch and his yell, "Yuuuurrraaahhh!!!", is pretty awesome to hear.
Let's not forget Goku's transformation as well as his speech to Freeza too.
I can point out a few instances that Kai is on par with the original Japanese. Like Vegeta's first transformation into Super Saiyan in the front of the Artificial Humans. Sabat's delivery is top notch and his yell, "Yuuuurrraaahhh!!!", is pretty awesome to hear.
Let's not forget Goku's transformation as well as his speech to Freeza too.
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