The problem with FUNimation vs Viz

[Adamant]

Their translated names for the characters (e.g., just call him Kaio-sama than an unnecessary long name) and censorship are also pretty weird.

I wish FUNimation would be the one handling Dragon Ball manga releases.

Considering both Viz AND Funi just keep recycling their old 90s scripts for all their rereleases of Dragonball material with some very minor changes at best... no, you do not wish that.

[Mewzard]

Their translated names for the characters (e.g., just call him Kaio-sama than an unnecessary long name) and censorship are also pretty weird.

I wish FUNimation would be the one handling Dragon Ball manga releases.

Considering both Viz AND Funi just keep recycling their old 90s scripts for all their rereleases of Dragonball material with some very minor changes at best... no, you do not wish that.

Uh...they certainly didn't do that with Kai.

[dbboxkaifan]

Considering both Viz AND Funi just keep recycling their old 90s scripts for all their rereleases of Dragonball material with some very minor changes at best... no, you do not wish that.

I do. IMO, Mr. Simmons translation is way better than Viz and the character names are left untouched (except for Kibito's Kibit).

Mr. Simmons - Kaio-sama
Viz - Lord of the Worlds

Mr. Simmons - Makankosappo!
Viz - Light of Death

Like seriously, it if ain't broken they don't need to fix it! Besides people who're reading the comics already know what the terms and names all mean by now.

[Mewzard]

Light of Death's issue is that it's not a really accurate translation.

I'm generally fine with "Lord of the Worlds". It's a title, not a character's name. Like "Kami-sama", he's called by his title.

[UltimateHammerBro]

I'm generally fine with "Lord of the Worlds". It's a title, not a character's name. Like "Kami-sama", he's called by his title.

I really like the terms "Lord of the Worlds" and "Lord of Lords". They're a fine way to convey their positions.

[eledoremassis02]

I'm generally fine with "Lord of the Worlds". It's a title, not a character's name. Like "Kami-sama", he's called by his title.

I really like the terms "Lord of the Worlds" and "Lord of Lords". They're a fine way to convey their positions.

Attack names, and titles, I feel need to be translated (granted in this case some are not or not done correctly). There are meanings and puns that are missing if not translated (or you'd have panels willed with editors notes like with every move from Tenshinhan and Krillin lol). Granted we missing things like Gokus name (which was explained in Jaco and the Bardock anime sp) but since we don't have Kanji or a similar name structure in English it's just one of those things lost in translation.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm generally fine with "Lord of the Worlds". It's a title, not a character's name. Like "Kami-sama", he's called by his title.

I really like the terms "Lord of the Worlds" and "Lord of Lords". They're a fine way to convey their positions.

Attack names, and titles, I feel need to be translated (granted in this case some are not or not done correctly). There are meanings and puns that are missing if not translated (or you'd have panels willed with editors notes like with every move from Tenshinhan and Krillin lol). Granted we missing things like Gokus name (which was explained in Jaco and the Bardock anime sp) but since we don't have Kanji or a similar name structure in English it's just one of those things lost in translation.

I dunno, "TURTLE DESTRUCTION WAVE!!!!!" just doesn't have the same feel as "KA-ME-HA-ME-HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!"

[voltlunok]

I dunno, "TURTLE DESTRUCTION WAVE!!!!!" just doesn't have the same feel as "KA-ME-HA-ME-HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!"

Same feel or not...that name sounds amazing! Still prefer Kamehameha though.

[Mewzard]

Kamehameha was named after the Hawaiian King of the same name. It doesn't have a translation (I believe this has been brought up before). It may look like/be close to appearing to have one, but that's just part of the fun.

Most times, I do prefer attack names to be translated.

In Toriko, I like hearing Five-Fold Spiked Punch over Go Ren Kugi Punch. In Saint Seiya, I'll take Pegasus Meteor Punch over Pegasus Ryu Sei Ken (though I keep attacks named neither in English or Japanese in their native language, like Hyoga's Kholodnyi Smerch, since they tend to be in the speaker's native language and what not).

Sometimes it works better than others. It's relative. Fist of the North Star? Being in Japanese works due to the martial arts (though I can also dig a translation). Jojo's Bizarre Adventure? It could be anything given how the different parts are set in different parts of the world/with different nationalities for many characters.

[Super Sonic]

Considering both Viz AND Funi just keep recycling their old 90s scripts for all their rereleases of Dragonball material with some very minor changes at best... no, you do not wish that.

I do. IMO, Mr. Simmons translation is way better than Viz and the character names are left untouched (except for Kibito's Kibit).

Mr. Simmons - Kaio-sama
Viz - Lord of the Worlds

Mr. Simmons - Makankosappo!
Viz - Light of Death

Like seriously, it if ain't broken they don't need to fix it! Besides people who're reading the comics already know what the terms and names all mean by now.

Name changes happen between languages. Know a few Marvel and DC characters' names are different in France and Mexico. Also from what I've heard Thompson and Thomson from Tintin have different names in French.

[eledoremassis02]

Name changes happen between languages. Know a few Marvel and DC characters' names are different in France and Mexico. Also from what I've heard Thompson and Thomson from Tintin have different names in French.

For a while Bruce Wayne was Bruno Diaz...that sounded awesome

[UltimateHammerBro]

Name changes happen between languages. Know a few Marvel and DC characters' names are different in France and Mexico. Also from what I've heard Thompson and Thomson from Tintin have different names in French.

Dupont and Dupond (the joke being that their pronounciation is the same).

For a while Bruce Wayne was Bruno Diaz...that sounded awesome

I died a little bit the first time I came across a Mexican edition of a Batman comic

[mAcChaos]

Every time I see some people talk about Viz vs FUNimation, some would say Viz is the better company. That was especially evident when Viz announced Ranma 1/2 as 4:3 and used the hashtag #nocropping. Yeah, I mean, that's cool, but they do shitty stuff. But, for the sake of this forum and topic, let's just focusing on Dragon Ball. Compared to Viz, I'd say FUNimation has done a better job releasing Dragon Ball than Viz has. FUNimation has actually released every single Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT episodes in it's original uneditied 4:3. There are the Blue Bricks for Dragon Ball, the Dragon Boxes for Z, and the Green Bricks for GT. What has Viz done? Viz has never released Dragon Ball fully uncut. Something is always edited, or it ends up being a crappy release. Not only that, but you could also argue that some of their translation needs work. It's just kind of awful that this is still a thing. Why am I reading edited Dragon Ball in 2015? Why do they not see that they messed up and they should release it uncut. The re-translation would actually be nice as well, but it doesn't have to be done. I get it, Popo is super racist, but even name changes are awful as well. FUNimation has dropped the H word in their home releases. For something on TV? Cool, that makes sense. Kids watch that, so it's logical. But every uncut release FUNimation has put out has had Mr. Satan as his name. Why can't Viz just do that?

If Viz really wanted to blow people away with a release, they should announce a Kanzenban release and actually make it uncut, with all the names intact, the art untouched, sound effects not edited. It's just getting to the point where it's really ridiculous. Sure, FUNimation's cropping is awful. But at least Popo is left untouched. Mr. Satan is still spoken, the text on signs and the like aren't digitally edited. Am I the only one that doesn't get this?

It's because back in the day, you had "mondo cool" and all that stuff from Funi, so it made Viz look like the fandom's savior. That impression has lasted to this day.

[ShadowDude112]

I don't think it should have when now FUNi has stuff like Kai, BoG, and the previously released Dragon Boxes under their belt. Viz has nothing on that since they're still releasing censored content to this day.

[rereboy]

Every time I see some people talk about Viz vs FUNimation, some would say Viz is the better company. That was especially evident when Viz announced Ranma 1/2 as 4:3 and used the hashtag #nocropping. Yeah, I mean, that's cool, but they do shitty stuff. But, for the sake of this forum and topic, let's just focusing on Dragon Ball. Compared to Viz, I'd say FUNimation has done a better job releasing Dragon Ball than Viz has. FUNimation has actually released every single Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT episodes in it's original uneditied 4:3. There are the Blue Bricks for Dragon Ball, the Dragon Boxes for Z, and the Green Bricks for GT. What has Viz done? Viz has never released Dragon Ball fully uncut. Something is always edited, or it ends up being a crappy release. Not only that, but you could also argue that some of their translation needs work. It's just kind of awful that this is still a thing. Why am I reading edited Dragon Ball in 2015? Why do they not see that they messed up and they should release it uncut. The re-translation would actually be nice as well, but it doesn't have to be done. I get it, Popo is super racist, but even name changes are awful as well. FUNimation has dropped the H word in their home releases. For something on TV? Cool, that makes sense. Kids watch that, so it's logical. But every uncut release FUNimation has put out has had Mr. Satan as his name. Why can't Viz just do that?

If Viz really wanted to blow people away with a release, they should announce a Kanzenban release and actually make it uncut, with all the names intact, the art untouched, sound effects not edited. It's just getting to the point where it's really ridiculous. Sure, FUNimation's cropping is awful. But at least Popo is left untouched. Mr. Satan is still spoken, the text on signs and the like aren't digitally edited. Am I the only one that doesn't get this?

Right now, the only justification to not be pleased with Viz in regards to Dragon Ball is as a matter of principle since their censorship is very minor and doesn't really affect anything and their translation is good even though its not the best.

Viz even tried to give us the arguably best release of Dragon Ball ever (Full Color comics) in the most premium version of that release worldwide, but it just didn't sell enough to continue the release.

I don't think it should have when now FUNi has stuff like Kai, BoG, and the previously released Dragon Boxes under their belt. Viz has nothing on that since they're still releasing censored content to this day.

They have the Full Color comics, which was only stopped because it didn't sell enough (kind of like Funanimation bluray release). The only censorship in that was Mr. Popo's lips I believe and honestly, like I said, the only reason to be upset about that is based on a matter of principle because it doesn't affect anything at all and you wouldn't even notice it if you didn't know.

[Super Sonic]

Was also gonna say Shadowdude, have you seen their release of Tenjho Tenge? They still had the rape scene that the manga's previous edition under that DC imprint cut out, which was ok'd by the Japanese publisher, but got criticized due to being around Identity Crisis.

[Adamant]

Uh...they certainly didn't do that with Kai.

Kai isn't a redub of Dragonball.

I do. IMO, Mr. Simmons translation is way better than Viz and the character names are left untouched (except for Kibito's Kibit).

Simmons wasn't around at the time.

Had Funi got the manga instead of Viz, you'd be getting constant rereleases of a translation done by 90s-era Funi that would be as accurate as their 90s-era dub. That's not what you want.

[Mewzard]

Kai isn't a redub of Dragonball.

Simmons wasn't around at the time.

Had Funi got the manga instead of Viz, you'd be getting constant rereleases of a translation done by 90s-era Funi that would be as accurate as their 90s-era dub. That's not what you want.

But that's somewhat unfair, given the improvements Funi's made in recent years. They haven't "redubbed" portions of Dragon Ball in several years, we can't really say they'd stick that way always, especially since now the people involved with Dragon Ball's end know they should do better, care enough to do better and have the skills to do better.

[eledoremassis02]

Well lets be fair here. Books and DVD/episodes are very different when it comes to how they're made.

If it's Pre-simmons, FUNimation might have gotten a scanlater to translate it. But if you looks at the Dragon Books and such, I think FUNimation would probably have done a nice job. The color pages would probably still have been an issue since those are like NEP in terms of availability here

[Cure Dragon 255]

Using Fansubs/Scanlations for Official Translations is not only illegal, it pretty much guarantees fans will hate you and could even lead to losing the license itself.

It doesnt really happen in the USA, but it happens a lot in other countries.