The Real Problem with the Buu arc

ShadowDude112 · Post by **ShadowDude112** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:14 pm

The problem is Kid Trunks because he decides to be the worst for no reason. When they fight Boo, he basically says "Hey Goten, I know your mom just died and stuff but we should totes mess with Boo and not finish him right away. Won't that be sweet, bro?" Gotenks is just Kid Trunks but with a super power up. There's no hint of Goten's personality in Gotenks. It's so annoying to see. Kid Trunks is the main problem with the Boo arc, and it really makes the most sense that he's the problem.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:24 pm

What about Goku and Vegeta, who were the reason Buu was released in the first place?

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:34 pm

The real problems with the Buu arc were its plot, Goku was there and the saiyan kids getting their Super Saiyan forms easily.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:37 pm

The Majin Boo arc certainly has some problems; scattered plot, unnecessary power-up after power-up, Goku making some questionable decisions, Vegeta's meaningless sacrifice. But it doesn't seem fair to single out Kid Trunks as the sole issue with the arc as a whole. I mean he is pretty much a non-factor in the arc to be honest. Arguably, his sole reason for existing to further demonstrate how half breed Saiyans are insanely powerful and because the cast needed for Super Saiyans.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:40 pm

The Majin Boo arc certainly has some problems; scattered plot, unnecessary power-up after power-up, Goku making some questionable decisions, Vegeta's meaningless sacrifice. But it doesn't seem fair to single out Kid Trunks as the sole issue with the arc as a whole. I mean he is pretty much a non-factor in the arc to be honest. Arguably, his sole reason for existing to further demonstrate how half breed Saiyans are insanely powerful and because the cast needed for Super Saiyans.

EXBadguy wrote:The real problems with the Buu arc was that Goku was there and the saiyan kids getting their Super Saiyan forms easily.

Or maybe they just applied themselves in training and simply gained the form from hard work. I means it's hinted that Kid Trunks was training in the Gravity Chamber with Vegeta and Goten was training with Chi-Chi for quite a while. And we all know Chi-Chi is much stronger than a SSJ.

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:43 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: because the cast needed for Super Saiyans.

Does that excuse the fact that in the saga, if the character is not a Saiyan, he/she's useless? All of the other sagas had every human or another race have a chance to shine, even if it was only a little bit. Sure Videl's an exception, but after that, everyone else was useless.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:49 pm

The real problem with the Buu arc was Goku. From both an in-universe and story perspective.

DBZAOTA482 · Post by **DBZAOTA482** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:22 pm

The real problem is that Toriyama-sensei was pretty much burnt out by that point. He even admitted he was sicked of action manga in general during the Majin Boo Saga. Add that with a lack of inputs by his editor and you end up with hazardous storytelling.

Lord Beerus wrote:Or maybe they just applied themselves in training and simply gained the form from hard work. I means it's hinted that Kid Trunks was training in the Gravity Chamber with Vegeta and Goten was training with Chi-Chi for quite a while. And we all know Chi-Chi is much stronger than a SSJ.

Goten doesn't even remember his first time.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:28 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:The real problem is that Toriyama-sensei was pretty much burnt out by that point. He even admitted he was sicked of action manga in general during the Majin Boo Saga. Add that with a lack of inputs by his editor and you end up with hazardous storytelling.

Lord Beerus wrote:Or maybe they just applied themselves in training and simply gained the form from hard work. I means it's hinted that Kid Trunks was training in the Gravity Chamber with Vegeta and Goten was training with Chi-Chi for quite a while. And we all know Chi-Chi is much stronger than a SSJ.
Goten doesn't even remember his first time.

Touche. And this is also the same Goten that can't pronounce Kamehameha right. But to be fair, they are still children and they won't exactly have the best memory. And before people bring up Gohan, he is essentially a child prodigy, so it's not fair to compare.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:46 pm

It's shifting of protagonists. First it seemed like Gohan is the focus, then it seemed like Goten and Trunks, then Gohan again, and then Goku. Also it's need to introduce and make power ups worthless. SSJ3 while cool seems kinda pointless. Fusion was also cool, but then kinda ended up as filler for Gohan to be made ready for battle. Then Gohan's power up turned into being filler for the Potara (Probably could have just skimmed Gohan entirely and had Goku go to earth instead to save the boys with Vegeta joining like before). Then Boo was weakened so the final climax could be about Goku, Vegeta, Boo, and Mr. Satan (And made stupid when the fight was harder than it really needed to be).

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:50 pm

The whole saga felt rush in my opinion. Buu's forms became a total mess when Kid Buu came along. Fat Buu was nice and Super Buu was pretty cool, but I can see why people felt like that he came off as a rehash of Cell though. The saga also had too many power ups and fusions threw in so quickly. Some characters like Dabra were totally wasted since he was a pretty cool villain and he didn't do much.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:59 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:The whole saga felt rush in my opinion. Buu's forms became a total mess when Kid Buu came along. Fat Buu was nice and Super Buu was pretty cool, but I can see why people felt like that he came off as a rehash of Cell though. The saga also had too many power ups and fusions threw in so quickly. Some characters like Dabra were totally wasted since he was a pretty cool villain and he didn't do much.

My opinion of it when compared to the Cyborg arc is now flip flopping. Personally for me it's now coming to if I'd rather concise but kinda boring through parts, or wacky but without focus.

Payne222 · Post by **Payne222** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:49 pm

Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys the Buu Arc and it's ridiculous shenanigans?

DBZAOTA482 · Post by **DBZAOTA482** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:53 pm

Payne222 wrote:Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys the Buu Arc and it's ridiculous shenanigans?

I'm sure a decent amount of people here do.

fdsfgs71 · Post by **fdsfgs71** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:59 pm

Payne222 wrote:Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys the Buu Arc and it's ridiculous shenanigans?

Having just read through the entirety of the manga for the first time, in terms of pure enjoyment it's my second favorite arc of Dragon Ball.

DragonBoxZTheMovies · Post by **DragonBoxZTheMovies** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:16 pm

Payne222 wrote:Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys the Buu Arc and it's ridiculous shenanigans?

I think it's a lot of fun. I really enjoy how it starts, particularly in the Manga, but I feel like it goes off the rails a bit once the absorbing and fusion starts. The climax is also something I have a bit of a soft-spot for; absolutely love the use of the Genki Dama. Looking at it as a whole, it is a bit of a mess, but when you go through it page-by-page or episode-by-episode it's surprisingly enjoyable. Mr. Satan's role is genius.

Woops, that's not really a response to the OP's statement.

Oh well.

MajinMan · Post by **MajinMan** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:16 am

I've said in the past that I like the Buu arc the best but it does have some issues. The biggest issue in my opinion is what happens to Gohan. Everything was fine until he got absorbed by Buu and became irrelevant for the rest of the series. Like seriously? Why would you make him so powerful and then get rid of him just because he's "not fit" to be the hero? At least the final fight kicks ass and has a decent ending.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:30 am

While the Cell saga would have been a good ending, but I'm glad the Buu saga was made. I became a DBZ fan much later then most fans did at the time and I started to watch DBZ around the end of the Cell saga and during the start of the Buu saga. I do like how Majin Buu had a lot of build up and suspense to him. Toriyama give a good job on giving the readers on their imaginations on what Buu could look like. Sadly for me, I knew what he look like since I was spoiled early on thanks to a Japanese trading card set that I found at a Yard Sale back in 2001.

Regarder · Post by **Regarder** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:24 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:The real problem with the Buu arc was Goku. From both an in-universe and story perspective.

Could you elaborate on this?

baneofdemon22 · Post by **baneofdemon22** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:18 am

The major problems for the Boo arc for me are: Giving other characters besides Gohan SSJ2, Boo, and giving the kids the ability to turn Super Saiyan. Having Vegeta blow up up Boo to nothing, made every fight with Boo pointless. I thought it was so stupid how the characters were in awe any time there was a power up. "Oh that punch hurt him!" Who cares? So many characters hurt him already by punching him. Gotenks blew him up! Super Boo even blew himself up! Then it was like a big deal when Vegito disintegrated part of him. He just grew it back, so what was the point. Everything after Final Atonement was just a mess.

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