Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by precita » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:44 pm

^ Because there's still crime and normal humans can be killed by guns in this show? They made plenty of regular criminals/thieves/robbers in the anime for Saiyaman to take care of.

Even Krillin became a cop to take care of criminals in the Freeza movie.

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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by TJVY » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:10 pm

I strongly dislike anything in relation to Great Saiyaman, I pray that we have seen the last of him.
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by Cipher » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:31 pm

FoolsGil wrote:I hated the idea immensely. It was a total genre shift, and there was no supervillain so what was the point?
To see Gohan's inept and wacky attempts at being a traditional superhero.

How great is that sequence where he's so excited to show everyone his outfit, and everyone thinks it looks horrible? How great is it?

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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:40 pm

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FoolsGil wrote:I hated the idea immensely. It was a total genre shift, and there was no supervillain so what was the point?
To see Gohan's inept and wacky attempts at being a traditional superhero.

How great is that sequence where he's so excited to show everyone his outfit, and everyone thinks it looks horrible? How great is it?
It's fantastic. The charm of the Great Saiyaman schtick is everyone but Gohan finding it stupid. That is what makes it so damn entertaining.
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by Super Saiyan Swagger » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:45 pm

Great Saiyaman is stupid, goofy, cheesy and at times cringe worthy... I fucking love it. I especially love Gohan's ridiculous dance moves, such as this one from Battle of Gods:
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:09 pm

Super Saiyan Swagger wrote:Great Saiyaman is stupid, goofy, cheesy and at times cringe worthy... I fucking love it. I especially love Gohan's ridiculous dance moves, such as this one from Battle of Gods:


That's what makes it awesome. He thinks it's cool, while everyone else thinks it's really dumb. I love the Great Saiyaman. I've said time and time again that if I had super powers like him, I'd probably show off and do super hero stuff too. If criminals think I look dumb, I can intimidate the crap out of them like Gohan did. Who wouldn't want to play or dick around with super powers? I know I would.
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by TheatreStyleKai » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:15 pm

I like the Great Saiyaman for what he is, a corny gag parody of the super-sentai genre. I would have liked him even better if Toriyama had actually played it straight and wrote the Great Saiyaman as a serious character. Then we could have had awkward high-school Gohan who is nerdy and doesn't get girls, and we could have had a serious matured version of end-of-Cell-arc Gohan at the same time. The whole thing feels like a missed opportunity, especially since so many people feel like Gohan's character actually regressed after the Cell arc.

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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by precita » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:21 pm

I wonder if people forget Saiyaman is also a throwback to the wacky humor of Dragonball, when everything wasn't all "serious" and "badass" and "played straight."

Seriously, its comedy. Its a sense of humor before the main plot of the Buu saga begins. People make a big deal out of nothing.

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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by Sinestro » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:28 pm

To me, his Great Saiyaman persona makes sense.

After the horrors he's witnessed, and faced, and after inadvertently causing his father's death....

If he wasn't laughing or goofing off, he'd just snap.

Actually, that's probably all just in my head.

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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:54 pm

I like the great saiyaman concept and execution, but I preferred the scenes from the arc where Gohan was just Gohan in high school.
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:15 pm

His little arc is a lot better than the actual Majin Boo meat especially after Vegeta's sacrifice.
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by MozillaVulpix » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:23 am

I love it. Not only is it hilarious, but it actually gives Gohan a personality, with flaws! You could argue he wasn't a particularly interesting character in the early parts of Z. He was just "the kid". The Great Saiyaman taught us that, despite everything he's gone through, Gohan is a massive dork. It made me look back at his character beforehand and realise "yeah, that makes sense. That's the kind of person he is, and I guess he was always like that."
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by Metalwario64 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:24 am

I enjoyed Saiyaman as well, and I also thought the outfit looked nice when Gohan was fighting Dabura without the cape or headgear on.
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:06 am

I liked him a lot...
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by Captain Strawberry » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:33 pm

He should have taken inspiration from Batman.
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by Michsi » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:51 pm

To be honest, I didn't really like the idea at first, because it looked kinda embarrassing. I had (and still have ) a fairly low tolerance for secondhand embarrassment. One of the reasons why I didn't want to watch BoG, even if Vegeta wasn't one of my favorites characters :D I don't mind seeing characters in silly situations ( I like to imagine them myself :P ), but only a certain kind.
But I appreciate what the concept did for Gohan's character and how this reflects his outlook on fighting.

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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by Man-Child » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:12 pm

I actually might've facepalmed when I first saw Gohan's Saiyaman antics in the Buu saga. Maybe the dub is to blame in that department, but I still cringe at Gohan being that nerdy and oblivious as a teenager. It's entirely in character though, so I give it points for that. It even makes sense in context, seeing as how Gohan just wants to fit in, in the everyday world, but still wants to help out every now and then.
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:49 pm

I generally like Kamen Rider/tokusatsu parodies, so it was a good idea if you ask me.
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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by UltimateSSJG » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:17 pm

It was really refreshing seeing Gohan in this new light as the great saiyaman. Personally, I really wish there were more saiyaman antics with high school gohan trying to fit into society being a saiyan and rivalling with Mr Satan being Earths "protector".

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Re: Thoughts on Great Saiyaman

Post by Vijay » Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:10 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:His little arc is a lot better than the actual Majin Boo meat especially after Vegeta's sacrifice.
As much as it pains me to admit, this is true

After Veggie's sacrifice, the arc sorta loses all steam. It definetly hit its peak with Veggie & Goku coming back to fight Buu though.

On topic, Great Saiyaman Gohan was the only bearable form of Gohan. As much as I hate Gohan (iconic potential & anger abuser), I felt AT really balanced his character well as Great Saiyaman.

He was this...weird kid who is kinda like Goku. Wants to help people. But not Goku

His trade-mark purely innocent & blur, not really understanding intrinsic surroundings was played exceptionally well by Masako Nozawa.

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