Would the Dragon Ball series be more respected if Z didn't exist?

[DBZAOTA482]

Not to mention Kuririn, Chaozu, and Muten Roshi have all died once before.

Which viewers won't a problem with knowing if they start with Z. Watching OG Dragon Ball is by no means necessary in order to get into DBZ.

[Lord Beerus]

Dragon Ball would still great in its own self contained fashion had Z not existed. The idea that Dragon Ball wouldn't be respected if Z didn't exist is laughable, in my opinion. Z brought a lot of good, but prior to the Saiyan arc, the story was still great and no future arc has any bearing on that stand point.

[ABED]

Not to mention Kuririn, Chaozu, and Muten Roshi have all died once before.

Which viewers won't a problem with knowing if they start with Z. Watching OG Dragon Ball is by no means necessary in order to get into DBZ.

It's not about not knowing, it's about not experiencing. I read the Curtis Hoffman synopses of DB for years before ever seeing the series. It's not the same. Stories are meant to be experienced. I know what you're saying and I had no problem following DBZ before seeing DB, but that's because the story isn't complicated. I got the backstory, but I didn't experience it.

[DBZAOTA482]

Not to mention Kuririn, Chaozu, and Muten Roshi have all died once before.

Which viewers won't a problem with knowing if they start with Z. Watching OG Dragon Ball is by no means necessary in order to get into DBZ.

It's not about not knowing, it's about not experiencing. I read the Curtis Hoffman synopses of DB for years before ever seeing the series. It's not the same. Stories are meant to be experienced. I know what you're saying and I had no problem following DBZ before seeing DB, but that's because the story isn't complicated. I got the backstory, but I didn't experience it.

Then why you bitching about it if you don't need to watch/read Dragon Ball? Experiencing the story shouldn't be a problem either with the original manga as they're treated as one story and the Z anime references OG Dragon Ball a lot. Kai even gives a one big recap to the earlier chronological portions of the story.

[ABED]

You don't need to watch seasons 1-7 of Friends to get season 8, but that's not the same as experiencing the show. You miss the point. It's about the experience. You can watch the Buu arc without having watched the rest of Z, but so what? It's not a complicated story. What you are missing out on is the rest of the story. A synopsis or recap isn't the same as watching the show. I'm complaining because you and others seem so intent on people not watching DB and claiming DBZ is essentially a standalone series.

I don't even understand your point about the manga. Surely the same logic applies to the watching the anime. The anime also treats it as one story because it is.

DBZ isn't like Frasier was to Cheers. It's more like season 5 of One Tree Hill. It's several years later and a little bit of a reset, but it builds on what came before.

[sintzu]

I'm complaining because you and others seem so intent on people not watching DB.

and claiming DBZ is essentially a standalone series.

The reaosn for this is because the chances of someone getting into the franchise through DB aren't very high compared to Z (Kai preferably for the pacing). DB looks very old and outdated while Z (Kai) has a timelss look that stays fresh regardless of when it's being watched.

If something can be enjoyed on its own then it is standalone. This doesn't work with the Buu arc though cause the events in the previous arcs play a main role in it.

[ABED]

I'm complaining because you and others seem so intent on people not watching DB.

and claiming DBZ is essentially a standalone series.

The reaosn for this is because the chances of someone getting into the franchise through DB aren't very high compared to Z (Kai preferably for the pacing). DB looks very old and outdated while Z (Kai) has a timelss look that stays fresh regardless of when it's being watched.

If something can be enjoyed on its own then it is standalone. This doesn't work with the Buu arc though cause the events in the previous arcs play a main role in it.

I don't agree about the look. They both have a timeless feel to them. If not, at least a vintage feel which I don't think people would find off putting.

No, it's not a stand alone because it doesn't stand alone. You can watch and enjoy The Avengers without ever having watched the rest of phase one, but it's not a stand alone film.

The events of the previous arcs also play an important role in The Saiyan arc. Piccolo's entire arc is predicated on what came before.

[sintzu]

The events of the previous arcs also play an important role in The Saiyan arc.

The Saiyan arc feels like a soft reboot of the story. It takes everything before into account but it also feels like a fresh beginning for the story that welcomes old AND new fans alike. that's not the case in the Buu or any other arc.

[ABED]

The events of the previous arcs also play an important role in The Saiyan arc.

The Saiyan arc feels like a soft reboot of the story. It takes everything before into account but it also feels like a fresh beginning for the story that welcomes old AND new fans alike. that's not the case in the Buu or any other arc.

It is very similar in the Buu arc. The Buu arc is also a fresh start complete with a different protagonist. It's not a reboot. Knowing something and experiencing something are two completely different things. Piccolo's arc isn't NEARLY as effective if you haven't experienced it. Stories are meant to be experienced, not synopsized.

Frasier was written to stand alone from Cheers. It works emotionally without ever having seen Cheers because the story wasn't about what came before. Piccolo's arc is predicated on what came before.

[kinisking]

Dragon Ball would still great in its own self contained fashion had Z not existed. The idea that Dragon Ball wouldn't be respected if Z didn't exist is laughable, in my opinion. Z brought a lot of good, but prior to the Saiyan arc, the story was still great and no future arc has any bearing on that stand point.

He's implying that Dragonball would be more respected if Z didn't exist actually. I agree. Most people's complaints with Dragonball are really Z/super issues.

[DBZAOTA482]

Dragon Ball would still great in its own self contained fashion had Z not existed. The idea that Dragon Ball wouldn't be respected if Z didn't exist is laughable, in my opinion. Z brought a lot of good, but prior to the Saiyan arc, the story was still great and no future arc has any bearing on that stand point.

He's implying that Dragonball would be more respected if Z didn't exist actually. I agree. Most people's complaints with Dragonball are really Z/super issues.

Yet Z is the one that is the fan favorite, gets the praise, and is generally preferred. Most of the problems in Z are already present in OG Dragon Ball.

You don't need to watch seasons 1-7 of Friends to get season 8, but that's not the same as experiencing the show. You miss the point. It's about the experience. You can watch the Buu arc without having watched the rest of Z, but so what? It's not a complicated story. What you are missing out on is the rest of the story. A synopsis or recap isn't the same as watching the show. I'm complaining because you and others seem so intent on people not watching DB and claiming DBZ is essentially a standalone series.

I don't even understand your point about the manga. Surely the same logic applies to the watching the anime. The anime also treats it as one story because it is.

DBZ isn't like Frasier was to Cheers. It's more like season 5 of One Tree Hill. It's several years later and a little bit of a reset, but it builds on what came before.

No... I got your point. I just think your bitching about people watching Z without watching OG Dragon Ball is pointless because you make it out to be a necessity.

The manga keeps the Dragon Ball name all throughout it's run while OG Dragon Ball and DBZ are separate shows.

[Gog]

Dragon Ball would still great in its own self contained fashion had Z not existed. The idea that Dragon Ball wouldn't be respected if Z didn't exist is laughable, in my opinion. Z brought a lot of good, but prior to the Saiyan arc, the story was still great and no future arc has any bearing on that stand point.

He's implying that Dragonball would be more respected if Z didn't exist actually. I agree. Most people's complaints with Dragonball are really Z/super issues.

Yet Z is the one that is the fan favorite, gets the praise, and is generally preferred. Most of the problems in Z are already present in OG Dragon Ball.

What were the problems in Z that originated from OG Dragon Ball?

[DBZAOTA482]

What were the problems in Z that originated from OG Dragon Ball?

Wasted characters (like what do we actually know about Yamcha as a character?), strength being the key factor in battles (Jackie Chun even says so), and death basically having no consequences to start.

The only people Dragon Ball would get more respect from without Z is probably lame-ass hipsters.

[ABED]

What were the problems in Z that originated from OG Dragon Ball?

Wasted characters (like what do we actually know about Yamcha as a character?), strength being the key factor in battles (Jackie Chun even says so), and death basically having no consequences to start.

The only people Dragon Ball would get more respect from without Z is probably lame-ass hipsters.

We know that he had a problem with being around women. Strength was a factor, but he wins the first tournament by strategy. Your counterpoint is Yamcha proves characters in DB were wasted? Really, you're going with Yamcha? The problems you mentioned might be present in DB, but Z turns them up to 11.

And Z is not the more respected series. It's the more popular one.

I find DB has more compelling character arcs. More being the key word. I'm not saying Z has none.

No... I got your point. I just think your bitching about people watching Z without watching OG Dragon Ball is pointless because you make it out to be a necessity.

It is a necessity if you want to experience the full story.

The manga keeps the Dragon Ball name all throughout it's run while OG Dragon Ball and DBZ are separate shows.

That name change is cosmetic. There's no fundamental difference. It's the same story. The anime putting a different title on the show doesn't make it remotely different or change that it's all one story.

[sintzu]

It is a necessity if you want to experience the full story.

If you want to experience the "full" story won't you have to watch and read anything that had Dragon Ball's name in it ?

[FoolsGil]

No, Dragonball would not have made the same impact Dragonball Z did. If Z didn't exist, this website would probably be a Yu Yu Hakusho forum.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Like Abed said that has more to do because the plot isn't complicated. You can start at DBZ and not be lost but it does change a few things.

It does but unfortunately Z feels more removed from DB, than it should have been. Unlike GT it doesn't do the call backs to DB events in order to remind the audience of its continuation. Its why people think they can watch Z independently. But that attitude is why people assume Krillin is just comedic fodder.

[Desassina]

Don't worry, since Dragon Ball Z is where the series' popularity is due, and Dragon Ball Super is paying its biggest tribute, by undoing any kind of popularity that it had, to the point when people will demand a new story.

[genjosanzo8]

Dragon Ball Z is just a name change like Naruto Shippuden for Naruto , so if it was Dragon Ball all along , this part of the series should have been more exposed than now, we have countless of re-airing of dbz, even remastering but nothing for db why? this part is the far less watch than the other one, that is just marketing things.

[ABED]

It is a necessity if you want to experience the full story.

If you want to experience the "full" story won't you have to watch and read anything that had Dragon Ball's name in it ?

Now I think you are looking for reasons to disagree. I'm talking watching the series from the beginning. I don't know why this is an issue. What serialized shows do you watch that you don't from beginning? It seems you are adamantly against people watching the whole Dragon Ball.