Personal Issues With Dragon Ball GT

[WittyUsername]

On the subject of that ending, it’s kind of weird that they made Shenlong out to be this all powerful being who can allow people to transcend mortality and can revive people who he’s already revived in the past. Sure, back when the series first started, Shenlong was made out to be this all powerful being with limitless power, but as the series went on, it was established that he’s only as powerful as his creator and that there are many limits to what he can do. Why did he suddenly become so powerful?

On another note, if overusing the Dragon Balls caused the Evil Dragons to be born, could the same thing potentially happen with the Namekian Dragon Balls?

[SupremeKai25]

Hoo boy...... Its clear we are not going to agree on this so I see no further point in continuing. Nothing either of us says will change the other's mind.

Well it's a shame, because I thought it was an interesting conversation about a deep subject. Regardless I was probably going to end this soon anyway since this thread is about GT. I just felt like opening this because you brought up time travel in the Goku Black arc in the OP.

I understand. And I respect your views even if I don't agree with them. Can we agree to disagree and respect the other's views?

Sure, I never put that in question.

[ABED]

How did he transcend mortality?

The in-universe mechanics don't work, but thematically it's quite clear what they were going for. The DB's are gone and Goku gave his life to save everyone with no chance of him being revived like he had been the past. Where'd he go? Doesn't matter, it's not important.

[sunsetshimmer]

I liked the first part of GT, the ascension to Super Saiyan 4 and stuff like that but I didn't like the Shadow Dragon Saga simply due to the fact that it portrayed the use of the Dragon Balls to undo the damage caused by alien invasions as being selfish........... Which it wasn't.

The Goku Black Saga wasn't much better for much the same reasons. Though Time Travel is a different ballgame than using the Dragon Balls.

Sorry if i didn't read entire topic, maybe someone already pointed that out.

You completely missed point of this arc. No one said the wish you mentioned was selfish. it was NOT selfish. The only truly selfish wish was King Piccolo' s wish which is why Nuova was the only dragon that had good in him. The more selfless (good) wish is, the more negative (bad) energy has to be produced for balance.

If they were punished for being selfish it wouldn't be as dramatic as being punished for doing good things. Still, Shadow Dragons weren't meant to punish for doing bad or good things. Their existence was to punish for going an easy way, no matter what your goal was. It was a lesson for them to rely on their own powers.

[WittyUsername]

How did he transcend mortality?

Isn’t that what the ending implied, with the Dragon Balls going inside Goku and him not being an old man 100 years later?

[ABED]

I don't know. I think he was dead, but just checking in. Even though he doesn't have a halo, he's clearly dead. It's not to meant to be a logically coherent ending, simply an emotionally satisfying one. I think sometimes fans get hung up on in universe logic and miss out on the bigger picture.

[Hulk10]

Well it's a shame, because I thought it was an interesting conversation about a deep subject. Regardless I was probably going to end this soon anyway since this thread is about GT. I just felt like opening this because you brought up time travel in the Goku Black arc in the OP.

I understand. And I respect your views even if I don't agree with them. Can we agree to disagree and respect the other's views?

Sure, I never put that in question.

Sure thanks.

[MyVisionity]

On the subject of that ending, it’s kind of weird that they made Shenlong out to be this all powerful being who can allow people to transcend mortality and can revive people who he’s already revived in the past. Sure, back when the series first started, Shenlong was made out to be this all powerful being with limitless power, but as the series went on, it was established that he’s only as powerful as his creator and that there are many limits to what he can do. Why did he suddenly become so powerful?

Probably because it was the end of the series. Oftentimes a series will return to its beginnings at the end in order to recapture its essence. In this case, that means Shen Long is an all-powerful god with no limits.

On another note, if overusing the Dragon Balls caused the Evil Dragons to be born, could the same thing potentially happen with the Namekian Dragon Balls?

Probably so, but it would likely never happen because the Namekians aren't selfish assholes.

[Hulk10]

I liked the first part of GT, the ascension to Super Saiyan 4 and stuff like that but I didn't like the Shadow Dragon Saga simply due to the fact that it portrayed the use of the Dragon Balls to undo the damage caused by alien invasions as being selfish........... Which it wasn't.

The Goku Black Saga wasn't much better for much the same reasons. Though Time Travel is a different ballgame than using the Dragon Balls.

Sorry if i didn't read entire topic, maybe someone already pointed that out.

You completely missed point of this arc. No one said the wish you mentioned was selfish. it was NOT selfish. The only truly selfish wish was King Piccolo' s wish which is why Nuova was the only dragon that had good in him. The more selfless (good) wish is, the more negative (bad) energy has to be produced for balance.

If they were punished for being selfish it wouldn't be as dramatic as being punished for doing good things. Still, Shadow Dragons weren't meant to punish for doing bad or good things. Their existence was to punish for going an easy way, no matter what your goal was. It was a lesson for them to rely on their own powers.

Somebody already did say that actually.

[ABED]

I wish GT (or whatever ends up being DB's ending) brought it back around to Goku and Bulma in the finale. I like circularity in the endings of stories.

[Hulk10]

I wish GT (or whatever ends up being DB's ending) brought it back around to Goku and Bulma in the finale. I like circularity in the endings of stories.

Haven't we already seen the official end of DB?

[ABED]

I wish GT (or whatever ends up being DB's ending) brought it back around to Goku and Bulma in the finale. I like circularity in the endings of stories.

Haven't we already seen the official end of DB?

Not sure what you mean by this. Broly left the door open for continuation and we're getting a new movie soon.

[Hulk10]

I wish GT (or whatever ends up being DB's ending) brought it back around to Goku and Bulma in the finale. I like circularity in the endings of stories.

Haven't we already seen the official end of DB?

Not sure what you mean by this. Broly left the door open for continuation and we're getting a new movie soon.

The end of DBZ is the end of the manga. And what new movie?

[ABED]

Haven't we already seen the official end of DB?

Not sure what you mean by this. Broly left the door open for continuation and we're getting a new movie soon.

The end of DBZ is the end of the manga. And what new movie?

Yes, the manga is an ending but then there was GT, then there was Super, and so on. Some point we are going to get an ending where there will not be any subsequent DB stories.

We are getting a new movie next year. How do you not know this?

[Mister_Popo]

Haven't we already seen the official end of DB?

Not sure what you mean by this. Broly left the door open for continuation and we're getting a new movie soon.

The end of DBZ is the end of the manga. And what new movie?

With the Japanese Blu-Ray release of Broly, the head of Dragon Ball-room TOEI Iyoku confirmed they were already steadily preparing a new animated movie. Nothing is officially said about a release date.

[Hulk10]

Not sure what you mean by this. Broly left the door open for continuation and we're getting a new movie soon.

The end of DBZ is the end of the manga. And what new movie?

With the Japanese Blu-Ray release of Broly, the head of Dragon Ball-room TOEI Iyoku confirmed they were already steadily preparing a new animated movie. Nothing is officially said about a release date.

I checked it out and your right check this out. https://omnitos.com/news/2019/06/04/new ... 100-coming. It seems that the new movie won't be related to the anime like Broly. Or at least it seemed that way.