Background Information on Coola and Tullece's Henchmen

[JulieYBM]

Awesome stuff. It's nice knowing this sort of information exists, considering we don't get much from the films. Was there anything else on the Coola front?

Also, Daiz is the blue haired one, right?

[Saiyan-Professor]

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Here’s the background information on Tullece and his henchmen. This is was all orginally taken from the Japanese Wikipedia entry for DBZ movie 3., but I've expanded it with a some more information from the Akira Toriyama-The World anime special book. The only bit of information only found on Japanese Wikipedia is that Kakao was built on Planet Ikonda to fight an interstellar war.

Unfortunately there’s not much information on Tullece himself, but it does say that the reason he’s so strong is that he keeps eating the fruit of the Shinseiju (that is, Earth isn’t the first place he planted one, and the other times were successful). I think this actually got said at some point in the movie, but I could be wrong.

Amond was originally an atrocious criminal who rampaged throughout the entire galaxy, but was then was arrested and imprisoned by the Galactic Police, in a prison on Planet Nutts. But when Tullece attacked Planet Nutts, he freed Amond and let him into his group.

Daiz was the prince of the Pukinpa Dynasty on the Planet Kabocha, and led his kingdom’s army in an attack against Tullece. He fought so bravely against Tullece that Tullece let him become one of his men.

Kakao used to be a galactic lone-wolf bounty hunter. However, before even that he was originally a Battle Cyborg built on the planet Ikonda to fight in an interstellar war. He volunteered to join Tullece's group in order to strengthen his cyborg body, which is made from a special metal that makes him immune to ordinary attacks.

Lezun and Rakasei were revived by Tullece from the fossils of the long extinct Beenz people using extract from the Shinseiju. Their species is (well, was) extremely intelligent, and the two of them built Tullece and co.’s spaceship and the rest of their cool stuff.

Prime material as always Herms and an excellent source for the fan manga I hope to produce someday.

[Onikage725]

Kame-sennin does say at the start of DBZ movie 5 that Goku has gotten even stronger since he returned from Planet Namek.

Plus he most definitely received a Zenkai which means more power.

Eh, I have a hard time swallowing that his increase would take him from 3 million to above 140 million. It basically implies that while on Yardrat, he became as strong in his base form as he was as SSJ against Freeza. Which would also place early Cell Saga SSJ Goku, before Android training, at around 750,000,000.

[Dayspring]

Kame-sennin does say at the start of DBZ movie 5 that Goku has gotten even stronger since he returned from Planet Namek.

Plus he most definitely received a Zenkai which means more power.

Eh, I have a hard time swallowing that his increase would take him from 3 million to above 140 million. It basically implies that while on Yardrat, he became as strong in his base form as he was as SSJ against Freeza. Which would also place early Cell Saga SSJ Goku, before Android training, at around 750,000,000.

Not at all. It implies that his zenkai from Freeza, training on Yardrat, and about 2 of the 3-years training got him from 3 million to above 9 million.

[Onikage725]

Not at all. It implies that his zenkai from Freeza, training on Yardrat, and about 2 of the 3-years training got him from 3 million to above 9 million.

Except for the part where Goku whupped Coola's ass (I believe in the dub it was when the busted out "The Game" by Disturbed) in his normal form. Goku didn't, if I recall (and do correct me if I'm wrong) use Kaio-ken until after Coola changed forms. Which would mean that he would have to be over 140 mil.

Or am I missing something/fudging up my memory?

[Saiyan-Professor]

Not at all. It implies that his zenkai from Freeza, training on Yardrat, and about 2 of the 3-years training got him from 3 million to above 9 million.

Except for the part where Goku whupped Coola's ass (I believe in the dub it was when the busted out "The Game" by Disturbed) in his normal form. Goku didn't, if I recall (and do correct me if I'm wrong) use Kaio-ken until after Coola changed forms. Which would mean that he would have to be over 140 mil.

Or am I missing something/fudging up my memory?

That is accurate for the most part but we must remember that gaining large increases in power in a relatively short period is routine. The Daizenshuu states that Coola arrived sometime during the 3 years of training before the Artificial Humans arrived. Hence, there was plenty of time to reach the 140 million especially when training against Piccolo and Son Gohan. That is why he could slug Gero/Android 20 in base form later. It was implied after the Future Trunks incident with Freeza and Cold that the androids dwarfed Freeza in power.

[JulieYBM]

We know Son can use the ten-times without an aura appearing. It's likely he was using that or even a higher multiplier before busting out a 20+ times.

[Wojak]

We know Son can use the ten-times without an aura appearing. It's likely he was using that or even a higher multiplier before busting out a 20+ times.

Agreed.

If the SSJ multiplication is counted as 50 times, and 10x or 20x kaioken could handle 4th form Cooler, then it must imply that Cooler got much stronger than that in his 5th form.
I think his power in his 5th form could be calculated as Goku's base times 40, as the Super Saiya-jin crushed Cooler's 5th form.

It's not odd to think that there would be a dramatic increase for Cooler in his 5th form, as every increase of Freeza's was dramatic, and got much higher for every form he changed into.

[Dayspring]

Was it said in the movie that he was using kaioken x10 (without the aura)?

@Onikage: If Goku had a base PL of 10 million, then when he beat up 4th Form Cooler using kaioken x20, he'd have a PL of 200 million to Cooler's 140 million. Meanwhile SSJ would give him a PL of 500 million to Cooler's 450 million.

Though I also find 450 mil to be too high, it isn't implausible since he was at 3 million prior to his Freeza zenkai, training on Yardrat, and 2-3 years of training for the androids.

[Senzu_Bean]

Goku did not used Kaioken until Cooler transformed which basically throw out of the window these battle powers as well the sense of the movie. How typical.

[Saiyan-Professor]

I was thinking about this earlier, technically speaking wouldn’t the 140 million and 450 million of Coola’s 4th and 5th forms be official combat power levels post Namek? If so we could at least have sort of an idea of how strong Kakarrot was just prior to the Artificial Humans story arc. If so we could somewhat get an idea where everyone was at power wise up until Cell’s appearance.

[Onikage725]

Was it said in the movie that he was using kaioken x10 (without the aura)?

@Onikage: If Goku had a base PL of 10 million, then when he beat up 4th Form Cooler using kaioken x20, he'd have a PL of 200 million to Cooler's 140 million. Meanwhile SSJ would give him a PL of 500 million to Cooler's 450 million.

Though I also find 450 mil to be too high, it isn't implausible since he was at 3 million prior to his Freeza zenkai, training on Yardrat, and 2-3 years of training for the androids.

It wasn't said that he was. When he recovers (so we can possibly assume a recovery-based power-up) he charges up. This is intense enoguh to completely blow Sauza away. He then proceeds to fight Coola, and has the clear upper hand the whole way. That's why Coola goes to his next form so quickly. The only clear indication of him using Kaio-ken is when he can't lay a finger on Coola post-transformation (and it still doesn't do him a lick of good).

I generally assumed Coola to be in a similar state as Freeza just after transforming (before powering up to 50%). And rather than waste time at 50% or beef up to 100% of 4th form, he just decided to take the rare opportunity to show off his ultimate state.

[Senzu_Bean]

I was thinking about this earlier, technically speaking wouldn’t the 140 million and 450 million of Coola’s 4th and 5th forms be official combat power levels post Namek? If so we could at least have sort of an idea of how strong Kakarrot was just prior to the Artificial Humans story arc. If so we could somewhat get an idea where everyone was at power wise up until Cell’s appearance.

Movies =/= Main storyline, thus no.

[JulieYBM]

The Kaiô-ken seems to only appear when its in the higher levels. Son could be using lower levels of the technique and it just doesn't appear.

[Senzu_Bean]

The Kaiô-ken seems to only appear when its in the higher levels. Son could be using lower levels of the technique and it just doesn't appear.

Kaioken is always visible.

[JulieYBM]

The Kaiô-ken seems to only appear when its in the higher levels. Son could be using lower levels of the technique and it just doesn't appear.

Kaioken is always visible.

I fail to recall it being visibile when Son was duking it out with Freeza.

[DNA]

So there's no interesting little tidbits about Zarbon & Dodoria, Ginew Tokusentai, Slug's henchmen or Bojack & Friends. What a pity

[Pain]

What a pity

DQ VIII reference?

[DNA]

What a pity :(

DQ VIII reference?

Not at all. Never played it.

[Pain]

What a pity

DQ VIII reference?

Not at all. Never played it.

I'd recommend it. Toriyama's art makes the game all the better.