I don't think Vegeta was supposed to be any stronger, than he was earlier, so I think Cell would trounce him just as much as he did the first time.The Monkey King wrote:Enraged Cell Games Vegeta vs Perfect Cell.
I think Vegeta could at least do some considerable damage to Perfect Cell since Super Perfect Cell had to brace himself to tank Vegeta's attack and showed visible strain while doing so:Spoiler:
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Yeah... Vegeta never got a rage boost in the manga. What he did in BoG is something brand-new.
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Well, now that Battle of Gods has introduced the idea of rage boosts for Vegeta, we COULD apply one to the Cell Games instance retroactively if we want (like how Saiyan healing boosts were retroactively applied to early-DB Goku).
But even with that, I don't think it'd make a massive difference. I could see Vegeta's power being somewhere between (SSJ1) Gohan's and Goku's there, which would make Cell uncomfortable and pinch a bit, but not do any lasting or worthwhile damage.
But even with that, I don't think it'd make a massive difference. I could see Vegeta's power being somewhere between (SSJ1) Gohan's and Goku's there, which would make Cell uncomfortable and pinch a bit, but not do any lasting or worthwhile damage.
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Not really. Goku implied that Vegeta forcibly tried to get stronger against Beerus, which made him use all his power at once. Against Cell, he just attacked with all his might. Besides, he got an over x4 boost in BoG, if Vegeta had gotten the same boost, Cell would be dead.Kaboom wrote:Well, now that Battle of Gods has introduced the idea of rage boosts for Vegeta, we COULD apply one to the Cell Games instance retroactively if we want (like how Saiyan healing boosts were retroactively applied to early-DB Goku).
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well Cell showed visible strain while tanking Vegeta's attack and SSJ2 Gohan (who had just beaten the day lights out of Perfect Cell) was shocked Cell came out of it unscathed =/
I think Vegeta's attack is one which could indeed damage Perfect Cell at least.
I think Vegeta's attack is one which could indeed damage Perfect Cell at least.
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Goku Vs Chaotzu 22nd Budokai
We saw from the Tenshinhan battle that Chaotzu''s psychic powers work on Goku, and I'm not sure if Goku is smart enough to figure out something lie tricking Chaotzu with math.
We saw from the Tenshinhan battle that Chaotzu''s psychic powers work on Goku, and I'm not sure if Goku is smart enough to figure out something lie tricking Chaotzu with math.
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Plot Goku wins.Kid Buu wrote:Goku Vs Chaotzu 22nd Budokai
We saw from the Tenshinhan battle that Chaotzu''s psychic powers work on Goku, and I'm not sure if Goku is smart enough to figure out something lie tricking Chaotzu with math.
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Goku might realize that Chaozu uses his hands so he might say, how old he is. Then say something like "How old was I two years ago?". I can picture Kid Goku doing that. Or Goku moves to fast and Chaozou only attack the after images.
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I think goku could win through overwhelming speed, since I remember even Krillin couldn't keep up, or he'd probably try something with Chaotzu's hands. I think he'd figure some type of way to get Chaotzu's hands, but he definitely wouldn't come up with math questions. We might have gotten something silly with after-images and Goku asking him to point to where he is, and each time Chaotzu got it wrong he'd get punched.Kid Buu wrote:Goku Vs Chaotzu 22nd Budokai
We saw from the Tenshinhan battle that Chaotzu''s psychic powers work on Goku, and I'm not sure if Goku is smart enough to figure out something lie tricking Chaotzu with math.
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Tullence kicked Goku(Kk10) ass easy and blocked a Genki Dama. Nail fucking dies with a knees to gutFrogTrigger wrote:I think goku could win through overwhelming speed, since I remember even Krillin couldn't keep up, or he'd probably try something with Chaotzu's hands. I think he'd figure some type of way to get Chaotzu's hands, but he definitely wouldn't come up with math questions. We might have gotten something silly with after-images and Goku asking him to point to where he is, and each time Chaotzu got it wrong he'd get punched.Kid Buu wrote:Goku Vs Chaotzu 22nd Budokai
We saw from the Tenshinhan battle that Chaotzu''s psychic powers work on Goku, and I'm not sure if Goku is smart enough to figure out something lie tricking Chaotzu with math.
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oh I should've clarified pre-fruit, I figure it'd be closer then, post fruit he mollywhops NailTheGmGoken wrote:Tullence kicked Goku(Kk10) ass easy and blocked a Genki Dama. Nail fucking dies with a knees to gutFrogTrigger wrote:I think goku could win through overwhelming speed, since I remember even Krillin couldn't keep up, or he'd probably try something with Chaotzu's hands. I think he'd figure some type of way to get Chaotzu's hands, but he definitely wouldn't come up with math questions. We might have gotten something silly with after-images and Goku asking him to point to where he is, and each time Chaotzu got it wrong he'd get punched.Kid Buu wrote:Goku Vs Chaotzu 22nd Budokai
We saw from the Tenshinhan battle that Chaotzu''s psychic powers work on Goku, and I'm not sure if Goku is smart enough to figure out something lie tricking Chaotzu with math.
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Personally, I have Nail > Recoome > Tullece [Pre-Fruit]
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21t Budokai Krillin Vs Gyumo
Goku lost to filler Gyumo in the Pilaf arc, so let's use that a canon for this fight.
Goku lost to filler Gyumo in the Pilaf arc, so let's use that a canon for this fight.
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I can't see Krillin overtaking Roshi's second best student. Not yet.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
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Nam vs Bacterian.
Or...
Gilan vs Bacterian.
Who would be the winners in those 2 battles?
Or...
Gilan vs Bacterian.
Who would be the winners in those 2 battles?
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Both Nam and Gilan are stronger than Bacterian.
Regarding Bacterian's stench, though, I'd see Nam being able to focus through it, since he is an experienced fighter. He did this against Ran Fan.
I don't know whether Gilan's sense of smell is greater than any normal human being, but I could see him restraining Bacterian with his spit as to him not coming nearer him.
One sinlge kick from Kuririn downed Bacterian, so I'd say that Bacterian isn't that strong.
I'd believe that Gilan and Nam are smart enough to overcome Bacterian's stench, so they would win.
Regarding Bacterian's stench, though, I'd see Nam being able to focus through it, since he is an experienced fighter. He did this against Ran Fan.
I don't know whether Gilan's sense of smell is greater than any normal human being, but I could see him restraining Bacterian with his spit as to him not coming nearer him.
One sinlge kick from Kuririn downed Bacterian, so I'd say that Bacterian isn't that strong.
I'd believe that Gilan and Nam are smart enough to overcome Bacterian's stench, so they would win.
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Sounds reasonable, Tullece was surprised at Goku's 30,000 reading on the scouter, and resorted to evading Goku rather than attacking.Hugo Boss wrote:Personally, I have Nail > Recoome > Tullece [Pre-Fruit]
Daizenshuu puts Recoome at 45,000 but I think having 3 characters exactly as strong as eachother doesn't make sense. There has to be variation. I have them in the order of 40,000, then Jiece at 45,000, and Burter at like maybe 48,000.
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Daizenshuu actually gives Recoome's power level?
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Most power levels up to SSJ Goku and 100% Frieza. After that I don't think they listed any official levels.Zombie wrote:Daizenshuu actually gives Recoome's power level?
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No, it doesn't.Zombie wrote:Daizenshuu actually gives Recoome's power level?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Yeah, none of the Ginyu Force members save for Captain Ginyu himself have official battle powers. The trio of Recoome, Butta, And Jheese were all said to have around the same amount of ki, and most people end up figuring them for around 40,000 based on their fights with Vegeta and Goku, who we DO have solid numbers for.
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