The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZAOTA482]

I think she could take manga Silver. Anime Silver was a different matter, if I recall correctly, but she should be able to handle most "normal" Earthlings.

I didn't read a whole lot of Dragon Ball in the manga so I can't comment.

[Doctor.]

Didn't Silver managed to surprise Goku once with his speed? I doubt Videl is as fast as 21st TB Goku.

I don't recall that happening in the manga.

Regardless, you don't have to be as fast as someone to surprise them with your speed. If a 5 year old managed to have a good showing against me in a race, I'd be damn surprised.

And it's not like speed feats are remotely consistent in this series anyway.

Spoiler:

Sure, Goku was distracted and he one ups him the next page, but it's still impressive.

Regardless, it's not like Videl has shown anything impressive either besides knowing how to fly and being stronger than her father.

[Kamiccolo9]

Didn't Silver managed to surprise Goku once with his speed? I doubt Videl is as fast as 21st TB Goku.

I don't recall that happening in the manga.

Regardless, you don't have to be as fast as someone to surprise them with your speed. If a 5 year old managed to have a good showing against me in a race, I'd be damn surprised.

And it's not like speed feats are remotely consistent in this series anyway.

Spoiler:

Sure, Goku was distracted and he one ups him the next page, but it's still impressive.

Regardless, it's not like Videl has shown anything impressive either besides knowing how to fly and being stronger than her father.

A feat performed by a weaker fighter on a distracted stronger one isn't really relevant, though. I mean, Piccolo managed to send Freeza flying, despite Piccolo being, and lets be extremely generous considering he took what was left of Gohan and Krillin's power, so let's put him at 2 million, and that's probably way overselling him. Freeza was at 60 million. That's a difference of thirty times. And Piccolo was still able to take Freeza off guard because the latter was distracted. Kid Trunks later did the same thing to Fat Buu.

Mr. Satan has won at least one tournament legitimately, so he's more or less in the upper echelon of "normal" Earthlings, and Videl is stronger than he is. Silver managing to surprise a distracted Goku isn't a valid feat, and he's demonstrated nothing that puts him as anything other than an impressive "normal" Earthling, I think it's more than possible that Videl could take him.

[RandomGuy96]

Mr. Satan has won at least one tournament legitimately, so he's more or less in the upper echelon of "normal" Earthlings

I doubt that. Unless DB Earth humans just can't fight. He probably cheats a lot, since Toriyama said he was weaker than Bob Sapp. Sapp, while strong, is a garbage martial artist, losing most of his matches and usually being the way bigger guy whenever he won.

Who do we think is the strongest villain that Videl could defeat? Could she take out Raditz, or maybe even Nappa?

Lol no. Gohan couldn't even tell she was stronger than Mr. Satan at first, and she nearly got killed by a single pistol bullet in BOG. The strongest villain she could take is Spopovich, if Spopovich is free of Babidi's control yet still has the power-up, like Vegeta did. She broke his neck, and only lost because she tired out while he was able to just snap his neck back into place due to Babidi's creepy zombie magic. Vegeta, who broke free of Babidi's control yet kept the power-up, seemed to lack this ability, as well as Spopovich's attribute of not having a ki that could be sensed.

[Saitou Hajime]

and there is even a what-if story that has SS4 Gogeta vs Beerus, and Beerus uses his full power and loses to Gogeta.

Wait, where was this?

[DBZAOTA482]

Mr. Satan has won at least one tournament legitimately

That's not saying much, though. Mr. Announcer found the battles in the 24th Budokai boring.

Oh and Gogeta overwhelms Beerus but loses since he fucks around like he did with Omega Shenron and is only 1/2 Goku.

[Kamiccolo9]

Mr. Satan has won at least one tournament legitimately

That's not saying much, though. Mr. Announcer found the battles in the 24th Budokai boring.

Oh and Gogeta overwhelms Beerus but loses since he fucks around like he did with Omega Shenron and is only 1/2 Goku.

The 23rd Budokai was so "exciting" that the arena was destroyed. Any competition between "normal" Earthlings is going to be boring by comparison.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

and there is even a what-if story that has SS4 Gogeta vs Beerus, and Beerus uses his full power and loses to Gogeta.

Wait, where was this?

In Xenoverse. I forgot to mention where that what-if came from, sorry...

[DBZAOTA482]

Mr. Satan has won at least one tournament legitimately

That's not saying much, though. Mr. Announcer found the battles in the 24th Budokai boring.

Oh and Gogeta overwhelms Beerus but loses since he fucks around like he did with Omega Shenron and is only 1/2 Goku.

The 23rd Budokai was so "exciting" that the arena was destroyed. Any competition between "normal" Earthlings is going to be boring by comparison.

Well, he never said anything about it being boring in comparison to that specific tournament. He pretty much said they were nothing special in general so Mr. Satan's just an athletically gifted human in a class full of scrubs.

[Doctor.]

and there is even a what-if story that has SS4 Gogeta vs Beerus, and Beerus uses his full power and loses to Gogeta.

Wait, where was this?

In Xenoverse. I forgot to mention where that what-if came from, sorry...

Which PQ is it?

[Kamiccolo9]

and there is even a what-if story that has SS4 Gogeta vs Beerus, and Beerus uses his full power and loses to Gogeta.

Wait, where was this?

In Xenoverse. I forgot to mention where that what-if came from, sorry...

Are you sure? There aren't any Parallel Quests with Gogeta, nor any story missions.

Well, he never said anything about it being boring in comparison to that specific tournament. He pretty much said they were nothing special so Mr. Satan's just an athletically gifted human in a class full of scrubs.

The 22nd Budokai involved more guys shooting lasers at each other, a three-eyed guy blowing up the arena, an old guy shooting another old guy Team Rocket style into the distance, and the dethroning of the previous champion. The 21st Budokai involved even more laser beams, and a kid turning into a giant monkey that destroyed the arena, and an old guy blowing up the moon.

When only "normal" Earthlings are participating, how is a tournament not going to be considered boring?

Which PQ is it?

I've done all of them. It's not a PQ. Gogeta isn't even in any of them.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Are you sure? There aren't any Parallel Quests with Gogeta, nor any story missions.

I haven't gone very far in the game, so I can't confirm it myself, but my only source is this:

It probably went like this,*Son Goku? We meet again, but you seem different* *I'm not Son Goku, but you thought Son Goku was a SSG wait till you see a true Saiyajin God*

Some badassery then ensues.

I watched the fight and it went something like this.

• Gogeta fights Beerus and Whis above Earth
• Gogeta and Beerus exchange words for a while
• Gogeta Beats Whis and Beerus
• Beerus has a cutscene
• Beerus looks really happy (maybe because he has a real challenge?)
• Beerus powers up to 100%
• Gogeta fights Beerus again
• Gogeta wins

Did it turn out to be false?

[Kamiccolo9]

Are you sure? There aren't any Parallel Quests with Gogeta, nor any story missions.

I haven't gone very far in the game, so I can't confirm it myself, but my only source is this:

It probably went like this,*Son Goku? We meet again, but you seem different* *I'm not Son Goku, but you thought Son Goku was a SSG wait till you see a true Saiyajin God*

Some badassery then ensues.

I watched the fight and it went something like this.

• Gogeta fights Beerus and Whis above Earth
• Gogeta and Beerus exchange words for a while
• Gogeta Beats Whis and Beerus
• Beerus has a cutscene
• Beerus looks really happy (maybe because he has a real challenge?)
• Beerus powers up to 100%
• Gogeta fights Beerus again
• Gogeta wins

Did it turn out to be false?

There are 55 Parallel Quests, and none of the GT characters are in any of them. I don't know what that's from, but it's not a PQ, and it's not in the Main Scenario.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

There are 55 Parallel Quests, and none of the GT characters are in any of them. I don't know what that's from, but it's not a PQ, and it's not in the Main Scenario.

Then I guess I'll remove that from my post to avoid any more misinformation... Thanks for correcting me.

[Kamiccolo9]

There are 55 Parallel Quests, and none of the GT characters are in any of them. I don't know what that's from, but it's not a PQ, and it's not in the Main Scenario.

Then I guess I'll remove that from my post to avoid any more misinformation... Thanks for correcting me.

No problem. Mind linking me to where you got that info?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No problem. Mind linking me to where you got that info?

I have the link there already, on SSJ God Gogeta's name in my post.

BTW, is the thing I said about the stats is correct? If yes, would you say that the stats are a reliable source? I'm still on Freeza arc, and I'm playing at a slow rate, so I can't check it myself yet.

[dbgtFO]

But there is also a line in a guidebook that says that SS Vegetto is "perhaps" stronger than SS4 Goku (implying that they are at around the same level),[...]

Does it reference Vegetto in the Buu Arc? Or is it vague enough for one to interprete it as a hypothetical GT Super Vegetto?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Well Old Kaioshin does call SSJ4 Goku the greatest ki he's ever felt..

[Dyno]

In my dub, he said Super Saiyan 4 is the strongest form, if I recall right, there is. Kind of the same.

[dbgtFO]

Well Old Kaioshin does call SSJ4 Goku the greatest ki he's ever felt..

Does he?
In which episode?