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ZombieVito wrote:Current Piccolo vs Drugged Basil.
Current Piccolo vs Good Boo [No magic or absorption].
Current Kuririn vs Goku [Freeza arc; No Kaioken].
Current Gohan [Ultimate form] vs Evil Boo [Gotenks absorbed; No magic or absorption].
Piccolo should probably take it. If nothing else, he can survive until Basil drug wears off.
Current Boo? Who could keep up with Goku who is way above SSJ3 Gotenks? He one shots Piccolo.
Dunno
Current Gohan is back at the level where he was during Boo saga. He loses to Boo just like he did there.
Gohan and Piccolo levels would be impressive back in Boo saga but are nothing special now. We'll see how they'll do after their training.
ZombieVito wrote:Current Piccolo vs Drugged Basil.
Current Piccolo vs Good Boo [No magic or absorption].
Current Kuririn vs Goku [Freeza arc; No Kaioken].
Current Gohan [Ultimate form] vs Evil Boo [Gotenks absorbed; No magic or absorption].
Apparantly Piccolo can fight Mystic gohan for hours now, with no decisive winner.
He stomps Basil who isn't even Fat buu level. Then he stomps fat buu as well.
Krillin is too weak to fight a molding back #18 in a sparring match, Goku wins.
Gohan, better confidence, much better training and greater power level (Piccolo and Gohan train to surpass their limits)
Ki Breaker wrote:Ultimate super duper Gohan ( calling him this until episode 90 gives him a name ) vs SSG
The answer to this is coming soon enough anyway in the show.
I doubt Goku is going SSG there
I specific want to know if SSG with healing and full godly body can beat ultimate gohan at that state.. This is basically a fight to see how much SSG's special abilities help in a fight..
Let me change the scenario then, Golden freeza weakened vs SSG
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
Is current Piccolo stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Boo Arc)?
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Vegetes wrote:Suppressed super perfect Cell vs all previous villains, with 50% boost in power.
Super Perfect Cell, at his most powerful, was only slightly weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan at the end of the Cell Games, but even a heavily suppressed version of him would absolutely molly-whop his normal Perfect self, the villains before his fated duel with Gohan, and all the way to the one Sabre-toothed Cat Goku had ran into in his youth.
Ki Breaker wrote:Ultimate super duper Gohan ( calling him this until episode 90 gives him a name ) vs SSG
The answer to this is coming soon enough anyway in the show.
I doubt Goku is going SSG there
I specific want to know if SSG with healing and full godly body can beat ultimate gohan at that state.. This is basically a fight to see how much SSG's special abilities help in a fight..
Let me change the scenario then, Golden freeza weakened vs SSG
1) The Super Saiyan God form displayed by Mr. Son Goku during the Battle of Gods Saga of Dragon Ball Super would still beat "Ultimate Super Duper Gohan" in a what-if fight.
2) If Goku had transformed into a Super Saiyan God at the moment Golden Frieza had started losing power, he would still be able to win against the Emperor of Destruction.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Toppen (Toppo + Jiren Potara fusion) vs. Whis
No time limit on the fusion
Toppen would barely manage to attain victory, assuming that Whis doesn't use his Temporal Do-Over, but I thoroughly despise the one who had the bright idea to introduce the new weakness for the Potara Earrings. As I know I am not the only person alive who wanted to see Vegito Blue to stop Merged Zamasu from killing the entire timeline of Future Trunks. This glaring excuse just to show the power of Infinite Zamasu and the Future Omni-King, really has left me very bitter towards Goku Black, all of his equally snidely evil counterparts, and even to those who created all five of the Gods of Rebellion.
Vegetes wrote:Suppressed super perfect Cell vs all previous villains, with 50% boost in power.
Super Perfect Cell, at his most powerful, was only slightly weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan at the end of the Cell Games, but even a heavily suppressed version of him would absolutely molly-whop his normal Perfect self, the villains before his fated duel with Gohan, and all the way to the one Sabre-toothed Cat Goku had ran into in his youth.
In my Opinion spc was stronger than ssj2 teen Gohan.
Vegetes wrote:Suppressed super perfect Cell vs all previous villains, with 50% boost in power.
Super Perfect Cell, at his most powerful, was only slightly weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan at the end of the Cell Games, but even a heavily suppressed version of him would absolutely molly-whop his normal Perfect self, the villains before his fated duel with Gohan, and all the way to the one Sabre-toothed Cat Goku had ran into in his youth.
In my Opinion spc was stronger than ssj2 teen Gohan.
Vegetes wrote:Suppressed super perfect Cell vs all previous villains, with 50% boost in power.
Super Perfect Cell, at his most powerful, was only slightly weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan at the end of the Cell Games, but even a heavily suppressed version of him would absolutely molly-whop his normal Perfect self, the villains before his fated duel with Gohan, and all the way to the one Sabre-toothed Cat Goku had ran into in his youth.
In my Opinion spc was stronger than ssj2 teen Gohan.
Yet, not a trace of Super Perfect Cell had survived the Father-Son Kamehameha of an injured, eleven-year-old Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Super Perfect Cell, at his most powerful, was only slightly weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan at the end of the Cell Games, but even a heavily suppressed version of him would absolutely molly-whop his normal Perfect self, the villains before his fated duel with Gohan, and all the way to the one Sabre-toothed Cat Goku had ran into in his youth.
In my Opinion spc was stronger than ssj2 teen Gohan.
Yet, not a trace of Super Perfect Cell had survived the Father-Son Kamehameha of an injured, eleven-year-old Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan.
That was Gohans hidden power kicking in, if you look at Gohans face, he was enraged, and some of the dialogue does imply that he needs to use his hidden potential.
Vegetes wrote:
In my Opinion spc was stronger than ssj2 teen Gohan.
Yet, not a trace of Super Perfect Cell had survived the Father-Son Kamehameha of an injured, eleven-year-old Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan.
That was Gohans hidden power kicking in, if you look at Gohans face, he was enraged, and some of the dialogue does imply that he needs to use his hidden potential.
Seemingly a point taken, but even if Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan had been at full strength, he would have never needed his hidden potential to win against the evil Super Perfect Cell in the Cell Games.
