How strong was he? Veegeta was at 18,000 but he got beaten by Goku and got blasted off which probably weakened him. He then made the power ball which also lowers his power as sttated by him so Vegeta (Full Power) > Vegeta (Post Kamehameha) > Vegeta (Post Power Ball)
To me his base state was at 9,000 and his giant ape state was at 90,000
Goku also said that a Kaioken x5 would be no match for Vegeta (Goku would explode if he had to use it IMO) so Great Ape Vegeta should be >> 40,000+ at least
What do you think?
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I'd say he dropped to 10,000 after the beating and unleashing a power ball. So 100,000 for Oozaru Vegeta.
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It's possible Goku's KKx5 wouldn't be at full power, as Goku was suffering from energy strains himself.Kakashi wrote:
Goku also said that a Kaioken x5 would be no match for Vegeta (Goku would explode if he had to use it IMO) so Great Ape Vegeta should be >> 40,000+ at least
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Re: Great Ape Vegeta
More than 40 thousand.
Less than 180 thousand.
Does anything more specific even matter?
Less than 180 thousand.
Does anything more specific even matter?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Yes, because that's exactly what this thread is about and precisely what OP asked us to speculate about.RandomGuy96 wrote:Does anything more specific even matter?
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I'm just saying, what's the point? What difference would it make if his BP was 60,000 or 100,000? It's literally just a random guess. There's almost nothing to base it on.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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There's also the Genki Dama comparison, I guess. But Goku's estimate ended up being way off since half of it couldn't even kill base Vegeta.RandomGuy96 wrote:I'm just saying, what's the point? What difference would it make if his BP was 60,000 or 100,000? It's literally just a random guess. There's almost nothing to base it on.
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I think Goku stated that most of the power of the Genki Dama had already been lost when Goku gave it to Krillin.
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I remember him saying half the power remained, I think in the Viz Manga, unfortunately Herms' strength checker has nothing on it so I'm really not sure if it's in the original.rereboy wrote:I think Goku stated that most of the power of the Genki Dama had already been lost when Goku gave it to Krillin.
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Actually it does.Saiga wrote:I remember him saying half the power remained, I think in the Viz Manga, unfortunately Herms' strength checker has nothing on it so I'm really not sure if it's in the original.
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Seeing as Goku was hurt and said KKx5 would kill him. Lets lower his power to 4,000 - 7,000.
That as a KKx5 is a 20k - 35k range. That would mean Oozaru Vegeta should be around 50k - 180k to absolute destroy Goku. Seeing as Vegeta survived Genki Dama that would mean either that amour should have been used more or Vegeta power had to be dropped by at MOST half(9,000).
That as a KKx5 is a 20k - 35k range. That would mean Oozaru Vegeta should be around 50k - 180k to absolute destroy Goku. Seeing as Vegeta survived Genki Dama that would mean either that amour should have been used more or Vegeta power had to be dropped by at MOST half(9,000).
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Goku is not weaker at all
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Goku was hurt from the Kaioken. If you want to say he wasn't then Vegeta is between 60k - 180k. Doesn't really make a difference.Kakashi wrote:Goku is not weaker at all
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Being hurt makes a lot of difference. Gohan was able to fight almost evenly with Vegeta after he lost his ape form. That would be impossible if Vegeta wasn't hurt and had already lost most of his power.
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Vegeta was hurt because he got his butt raped by Gokurereboy wrote:Being hurt makes a lot of difference. Gohan was able to fight almost evenly with Vegeta after he lost his ape form. That would be impossible if Vegeta wasn't hurt and had already lost most of his power.
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Your point? We ALL know why Vegeta was hurt. Seeing as most of us here debating have watched at least past the Saiyan ArcKakashi wrote:Vegeta was hurt because he got his butt raped by Gokurereboy wrote:Being hurt makes a lot of difference. Gohan was able to fight almost evenly with Vegeta after he lost his ape form. That would be impossible if Vegeta wasn't hurt and had already lost most of his power.
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Kaio actually states that Goku is weaker:
Chapter: 232 (DBZ 38), P6.3, P7.3
Context: after Vegeta gets sent flying by Goku's Kaio-Ken x4 Kamehameha
Vegeta: “If…if it’s come to this, though I hate how ugly Oozaru is, I’ll transform into one and smash him…!! Kukkukku…As an Oozaru I’m overwhelmingly strong…!!”
Kaio: “But Son Goku has no strength left. Even without Oozaru, the Saiyan may be more than enough for him. But he’s gotten weaker too! The way he is now, if we could only hit him with the Genki-Dama, we’ll win for sure!!!!”
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Because it's not the same thing with GokuTheGmGoken wrote:Your point? We ALL know why Vegeta was hurt. Seeing as most of us here debating have watched at least past the Saiyan ArcKakashi wrote:Vegeta was hurt because he got his butt raped by Gokurereboy wrote:Being hurt makes a lot of difference. Gohan was able to fight almost evenly with Vegeta after he lost his ape form. That would be impossible if Vegeta wasn't hurt and had already lost most of his power.
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Kakashi wrote:
Because it's not the same thing with Goku
Chapter: 232 (DBZ 38), P6.3, P7.3
Context: after Vegeta gets sent flying by Goku's Kaio-Ken x4 Kamehameha
Vegeta: “If…if it’s come to this, though I hate how ugly Oozaru is, I’ll transform into one and smash him…!! Kukkukku…As an Oozaru I’m overwhelmingly strong…!!”
Kaio: “But Son Goku has no strength left. Even without Oozaru, the Saiyan may be more than enough for him. But he’s gotten weaker too! The way he is now, if we could only hit him with the Genki-Dama, we’ll win for sure!!!!”
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Goku was tired and his body was hurt but that doesn't mean he got weaker but more lilke he can barely use the KaiokenTheGmGoken wrote:Kakashi wrote:
Because it's not the same thing with GokuChapter: 232 (DBZ 38), P6.3, P7.3
Context: after Vegeta gets sent flying by Goku's Kaio-Ken x4 Kamehameha
Vegeta: “If…if it’s come to this, though I hate how ugly Oozaru is, I’ll transform into one and smash him…!! Kukkukku…As an Oozaru I’m overwhelmingly strong…!!”
Kaio: “But Son Goku has no strength left. Even without Oozaru, the Saiyan may be more than enough for him. But he’s gotten weaker too! The way he is now, if we could only hit him with the Genki-Dama, we’ll win for sure!!!!”