Raditz/Nappa Battle Power

[Kakashi]

Raditz is over 1,200 and 1,250. I don't think he is 1,500. Makes no sense. Nappa should also be much stronger than 4,000 when he fought Goku. What do you think?

[Godo]

I think that 1,500 for Raditz makes perfect sense, as well as 4,000 for Nappa.
In the endless Nappa debate I have yet to see some convincing reason as to why he would have to exceed 4,000 in BP.
As for Raditz's BP, it doesn't matter that much in the end, so 1,500 fits right with him taking one of Gohan's blows at full power.

[Kakashi]

I think that 1,500 for Raditz makes perfect sense, as well as 4,000 for Nappa.
In the endless Nappa debate I have yet to see some convincing reason as to why he would have to exceed 4,000 in BP.
As for Raditz's BP, it doesn't matter that much in the end, so 1,500 fits right with him taking one of Gohan's blows at full power.

Saibamen rival Raditz and 1.25x is not rivaling. Nappa was close to Goku

[Kaboom]

...1.25x is not rivaling. Nappa was close to Goku

Says who?

[Godo]

Saibamen rival Raditz and 1.25x is not rivaling. Nappa was close to Goku

Freeza and Goku had a 1,25 times difference in BP, and they were pretty even initially until Freeza started to burn out all his power (but lets leave those numbers at that).
They were SSJ-tier and thus were in my opinion rivaling in power.
Anyone in the Raditz-tier are rivaling in power.
Someone weaker in the same tier has a chance of defeating someone stronger.
And I second the notion "Says who?".
Also, I just saw the same topic in a different thread? Regarding BPs of Saiya-jins of different classes, if I remember it correctly.
Why is there a need to bring it up again? Was there not enough people agreeing with your opinion?

[Kakashi]

...1.25x is not rivaling. Nappa was close to Goku

Says who?

Goku had a hard time vs Nappa and said it might take forever. Toriyama said saibamen are SLIGHTLY weaker than Raditz

[Kaboom]

Goku had a hard time vs Nappa and said it might take forever. Toriyama said saibamen are SLIGHTLY weaker than Raditz

Right. So how does that make those specific numbers wrong? Fan-made power level scaling doesn't matter in the slightest, so can you point me to an official scaling system drawn up by Toriyama or Shueisha or someone else who matters?

[Kakashi]

Saibamen rival Raditz and 1.25x is not rivaling. Nappa was close to Goku

Freeza and Goku had a 1,25 times difference in BP, and they were pretty even initially until Freeza started to burn out all his power (but lets leave those numbers at that).
They were SSJ-tier and thus were in my opinion rivaling in power.
Anyone in the Raditz-tier are rivaling in power.
Someone weaker in the same tier has a chance of defeating someone stronger.
And I second the notion "Says who?".
Also, I just saw the same topic in a different thread? Regarding BPs of Saiya-jins of different classes, if I remember it correctly.
Why is there a need to bring it up again? Was there not enough people agreeing with your opinion?

They weren't even. Goku just tested him and was stronger. Tori yampa said the saibamen are slightly weaker than Raditz

[Kakashi]

Goku had a hard time vs Nappa and said it might take forever. Toriyama said saibamen are SLIGHTLY weaker than Raditz

Right. So how does that make those specific numbers wrong? Fan-made power level scaling doesn't matter in the slightest, so can you point me to an official scaling system drawn up by Toriyama or Shueisha or someone else who matters?

Raditz being 1,250 is better IMO. Nappa is 4,000 going by official sources but it's likely the power he used vs the z fighters.his full power is close to Goku

[RandomGuy96]

Nappa's full battle power is 4,000.

Raditz's is 1,500.

Next!

[Godo]

They weren't even. Goku just tested him and was stronger. Tori yampa said the saibamen are slightly weaker than Raditz

So, yeah, they are in the same tier and that's what matters for me.

Nappa was tough to beat not because of his BP, but because of that he was a Saiya-jin. The same went for Vegeta who at 18,000 took a 32,000 beam right on and survived.
Both of them were physically tough to beat, and Goku is included.
Using this theory, one could also explain why Piccolo didn't do as much damage as one would expect, and also got beaten down easily by Nappa.

That's all I have to say.

[freezamite]

They weren't even. Goku just tested him and was stronger. Tori yampa said the saibamen are slightly weaker than Raditz

So, yeah, they are in the same tier and that's what matters for me.

Nappa was tough to beat not because of his BP, but because of that he was a Saiya-jin. The same went for Vegeta who at 18,000 took a 32,000 beam right on and survived.
Both of them were physically tough to beat, and Goku is included.
Using this theory, one could also explain why Piccolo didn't do as much damage as one would expect, and also got beaten down easily by Nappa.

That's all I have to say.

Vegeta survived a 32,000 beam? Another question I have, was Gohan at 18.000 when he fought Vegeta after Vegeta had its tail cut?

Vegeta never survived a 32,000 beam, Nappa wasn't 4,000 and Raditz wasn't 1,500 either.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Gohan definitely wasn't anywhere near that strong. Goku tells Gohan he'll be able to give Vegeta a good fight now that he's weaker.

[The Monkey King]

A 6000 Nappa would make much more sense for me:
It would explain how he was able to stomp Piccolo and make Goku sweat.

[freezamite]

Gohan definitely wasn't anywhere near that strong. Goku tells Gohan he'll be able to give Vegeta a good fight now that he's weaker.

BUT, why would Vegeta become weaker? Well, you know that I already know the answer to this question, so I will formulate it in this way:
Why do you think that Goku still had his full 8.000+ energy power when he was clearly weakened by the KKx3 he used previously?

A 6000 Nappa would make much more sense for me:
It would explain how he was able to stomp Piccolo and make Goku sweat.

A 6000 Nappa would still be too weak. The difference between him and Goku would be bigger than the one between Vegeta and Kiwi. Nappa was, at worst, at 7900, if not even more.

[Tyro]

Gohan definitely wasn't anywhere near that strong. Goku tells Gohan he'll be able to give Vegeta a good fight now that he's weaker.

That had to be a partial lie though just to give Gohan the confidence to fight. Gohan got one good hit, had a quick, decent skirmish, but other than that he was at a bad disadvantage the rest of the time.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

The fake moon was stated to have dropped Vegeta's power. Before that, Kaio says that Vegeta was weakened after losing the beam struggle to Goku.

I don't recall ever saying I thought Goku was still at his normal full-power.

Tyro, I agree. Vegeta was still much stronger.

[freezamite]

The fake moon was stated to have dropped Vegeta's power. Before that, Kaio says that Vegeta was weakened after losing the beam struggle to Goku.

I don't recall ever saying I thought Goku was still at his normal full-power.

Tyro, I agree. Vegeta was still much stronger.

That's true! I god confused and I answered you as if you were Godo! Sorry!

[Kakashi]

Nappa at full power was close to Goku so he should be 7,500 or even more. Raditz is lower than 1,330

[Darkprince410]

Nappa at full power was close to Goku so he should be 7,500 or even more. Raditz is lower than 1,330

Well, I've already stated in another topic what I feel in regards to Nappa's battle power (that he did have the capacity to raise it, but just couldn't lower it below 4,000, hence that number), but why does Raditz need to be lower than 1,330? Gohan's headbutt only did moderate damage to him at most, and that was without him even trying to guard or block it. It was clear that he was caught totally by surprise by the attack, which accounts for the damage he did take.

As for Piccolo's Makankosappo, nothing says that it needed to be stronger than him in order to kill him. He saw that it was being concentrated into a single point, and surmised that it would be more effective than a wider, less-focused beam. Saying that Raditz would need to be lower than Piccolo's Makankosappo in turn means that Perfect Cell would need to have had a lower battle power than Vegeta when the latter fired off the Final Flash, which we know isn't true at all. Because it's a focused, narrow attack in comparison to how it normally would be, it delivers far more of a punch than a widespread beam of equal power would.