Does the anime really imply that Kid Buu is the strongest?
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Does the anime really imply that Kid Buu is the strongest?
I've seen people say countless times over the years that unlike the manga, the anime makes Kid Buu out to be the strongest form of Buu. I have to disagree with this. Even in the anime Goku is clearly afraid to fight Super Buu unfused but jumps at the chance of fighting Kid Buu. He even says they shouldn't fuse to fight Kid Buu because he's no longer a fused being himself, which is pretty much outright stating that he's gotten weaker. Furthermore Vegeta puts up a much better fight against Kid Buu on his own than he did against Super Buu in the filler fight in Buu's head with Goku's help. He even does damage to Kid Buu in base form. Could someone tell me where the anime implies that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu?
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There are two(?) extra lines added to the the Pure Buu episodes that directly state he is the strongest form of Buu in the anime. It's been so long since I've watched the show though that I don't remember exactly who says them, but they come from some combination of these three: the Narrator, Goku or Kibitoshin.
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I'm 99.9% positive that the narrator is one of them.
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Is it ever said in the manga that he's weaker ? Or is Goku fighting him without fusion what has some fans saying that.
And are we talikng about Super Buu as he is or with the fusions ?
And are we talikng about Super Buu as he is or with the fusions ?
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Yeah, Goku pretty much flat-out says that Pure Boo is the strongest of them all so far.
And the Dragon Books don't help either, more or less parroting what Goku said.
Like you've said, this is extremely contradictory to what's shown earlier in both the anime and the manga, where Goku declares himself firmly inferior to and doomed against other forms of Boo. Forms which, according to the anime, are supposedly weaker than Pure Boo, whom he has no qualms about fighting one-on-one and Vegeta likewise believes he can finish off, just like in the manga.
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I don't get how Kid Buu would be stronger then Buuhan in the anime? If he was stronger then why did Goku choose not to fuse with Vegeta? Goku was shown to be too scared to fight Super Buu, but not Kid Buu? If Super Buu is weaker then why would Goku be scared to fight him? Goku is not that stupid, he would have fused into Vegito if Kid Buu was that strong. Goku didn't even bother fighting Buuhan as a SSj3. The whole Kid Buu being the strongest in the anime in my opinion is just a hyperbole.
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Re: Does the anime really imply that Kid Buu is the stronges
It's not stated directly, but it is heavily implied. Goku believed that if he & Vegeta were to attack Evil Boo together, they would definitely die. But when he turned into Pure Boo, Goku was confident that the could kill him on his own, and he would have done so, if his living body hadn't limited his usage of SS3, or better, if he had gone all-out from the beginning. Plus, when Gohan Boo reverted to Evil Boo, Goku said "We're almost there!", implying that the plan was to remove everyone from inside Boo to weaken him, and when Evil Boo reverted to Pure Boo, Goku said "We did it!", implying that they managed to weaken him enough so that they can beat him on their own.sintzu wrote:Is it ever said in the manga that he's weaker ? Or is Goku fighting him without fusion what has some fans saying that.
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Yeah, nobody's claiming it makes sense, but you know how Toei does things. Gotta make ~*~Goku~*~ look good, and all internal logic to the contrary is discarded. It's like they were getting in some practice for GT with the anime version of the Pure Boo fight.Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't get how Kid Buu would be stronger then Buuhan in the anime? If he was stronger then why did Goku choose not to fuse with Vegeta? Goku was shown to be too scared to fight Super Buu, but not Kid Buu? If Super Buu is weaker then why would Goku be scared to fight him? Goku is not that stupid, he would have fused into Vegito if Kid Buu was that strong. Goku didn't even bother fighting Buuhan as a SSj3. The whole Kid Buu being the strongest in the anime in my opinion is just a hyperbole.
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My friends used to argue about this all the time. They've only seen the Funimation dub, never really read the manga and swear on their lives Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. I used to think so too, but it doesn't make any sense. I've always thought Kid Buu and Gray Buu were on the same level, but neither is as strong as Super Buu.
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Wouldn't be surprised if he is, since other characters become stronger in their lower forms than their past stronger forms.
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So the anime contradicts itself again. Now that I think about it Goku made a similar contradicting statement against Cell in the anime, were Cell says he's surprised that Goku's putting up such a good fight and Goku responds "Me too" or something like that. I'm not sure if Goku meant that he's surprised he was able to stand up to Cell or surprised that Cell was able to stand up to him. Either way it doesn't make sense because Goku had already stated his inferiority before the tournament.
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Re: Does the anime really imply that Kid Buu is the stronges
To me this is one of those situations, much like the "5 minutes" on Namek, where you just have to acknowledge it's an error and rely on common sense. It doesn't make sense for Kid Buu to be the strongest. He might be the most vicious and dangerous because he's unrestrained but I think realistically Gotenks SS3 and Gohan at that point would make short work of him (Actually Gotenks would probably fuck around first so forget that part).
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I can't speak to the narrator's quote or the Dragon Book entry, but Goku's quote mentioned above doesn't actually say stronger, it says different level. He might well have been talking about ferociousness or savagery or intensity without talking about strength. The earlier part of the quote says very strong and is not a comparison to any of the other Buus, either.
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Goku specifically mentions Kid Boo's power, speed, and powers of recovery being on a different level in comparison to the previous Boo's. Pretty sure that means he's more powerful, faster, and has better regeneration than any other version of Majin Boo.
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If Kid Buu was hiding his power wouldn't that be the reaosn to why Goku thought he could take him ?
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To me, he's saying Buu's speed and power are amazing (with no qualifiers about "in comparison to what") and the whole different level is the sum of those parts. Fat Buu was innocent and playful (if misguided on what "play" was), Super Buu was cocky and arrogant, clearly stronger but willing to toy with his opponents (not rushing Gotenks in the HTC on multiple occasions, as Buutenks, letting Goku try his hand against him), but Kid Buu was going to be a whole different level of lethal. Using abilities inferior to Super Buu but using all of them without pause or mercy.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Goku specifically mentions Kid Boo's power, speed, and powers of recovery being on a different level in comparison to the previous Boo's. Pretty sure that means he's more powerful, faster, and has better regeneration than any other version of Majin Boo.
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When somebody says that they are on a whole different level, it means that they are stronger than before. They have said this on more than one occasion in the series. Don't see how it would be different here.Tectorman wrote:To me, he's saying Buu's speed and power are amazing (with no qualifiers about "in comparison to what") and the whole different level is the sum of those parts. Fat Buu was innocent and playful (if misguided on what "play" was), Super Buu was cocky and arrogant, clearly stronger but willing to toy with his opponents (not rushing Gotenks in the HTC on multiple occasions, as Buutenks, letting Goku try his hand against him), but Kid Buu was going to be a whole different level of lethal. Using abilities inferior to Super Buu but using all of them without pause or mercy.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Goku specifically mentions Kid Boo's power, speed, and powers of recovery being on a different level in comparison to the previous Boo's. Pretty sure that means he's more powerful, faster, and has better regeneration than any other version of Majin Boo.
Kaioshin said that this Boo was more powerful as well after Goku and Vegeta crush the potara. The narrator says it, and also the Dragonbook says that Pure boo possesses the greatest of strength of the Boo`s.
Are we to say that none of these statements are in regards to being stronger too?
These were mere screw ups on TOEI`s behalf into thinking that Goku could go up against a Boo more powerful than Evil boo Gohan absorbed, let alone regular Evil boo.
And the worst part about it is that the episode title of when Goku defeats Boo once and for all is titled : Son Goku is the strongest afterall".
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Except if you take into account the speech of Goku in front of Kid Buu when he's saying he could have won against Fat Buu, which heavily implied that his first SSJ3 appareance was kind of suppressed. I mean, this line already contradicts what Goku said before (he couldn't beat Majin Buu because he was equal to Bejita, he couldn't beat Majin Buu even in SSJ3...), so why this couldn't also get rid off what Goku said in front of Super Buu ?Like you've said, this is extremely contradictory to what's shown earlier in both the anime and the manga, where Goku declares himself firmly inferior to and doomed against other forms of Boo that. Forms which, according to the anime, are supposedly weaker than Pure Boo, whom he has no qualms about fighting one-on-one and Vegeta likewise believes he can finish off, just like in the manga.
This is not so simple and logical. The Buu saga is awfully written, with a lot of contradictories, so tell that it's Toei that contradicts the manga, it's your point of view. To others opinions and to Toei, it's your theory that contradicts the manga.
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BejitaSama wrote: Except if you take into account the speech of Goku in front of Kid Buu when he's saying he could have won against Fat Buu, which heavily implied that his first SSJ3 appareance was kind of suppressed. I mean, this line already contradicts what Goku said before (he couldn't beat Majin Buu because he was equal to Bejita,)
Because he was taking just his SSJ2 power into account and not even considering SSJ3.
Except when Piccolo prods him further, he clarifies that it wasn't his duty to defeat Buu and wanted to entrust it to the kids after seeing how strong they were, which backs up what he later says during the fight with Kid Buu.(he couldn't beat Majin Buu even in SSJ3...),
The very nature of Kid Buu sort of dissuades the notion that he'd be the type to play misdirect with his power. And even if that were the case, even when the duo admitted that they have underestimated Kid Buu's power, they still thought Goku's SSJ3 had what it took to kill him.sintzu wrote:If Kid Buu was hiding his power wouldn't that be the reaosn to why Goku thought he could take him ?
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No, because Goku, after fighting Kid Buu, still thought he could kill him if he gathered power for a minute.sintzu wrote:If Kid Buu was hiding his power wouldn't that be the reaosn to why Goku thought he could take him ?