Do the first 13 Z films fit into the anime canon?

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I realize the likes of the first cooler film and dead zone fit into the anime timeline, but the likes of fusion reborn doesn't fit in for example. So are some just what if scenarios or does every film fit into the anime's continuity.

On one hand it'd make sense to treat the majority of the movies as what ifs as most don't fit into the anime timeline.

But to be fair, if we debunk a movie for having plot holes.....we kinda have to cut out all of the buu saga as well. XD

Also Icarus is introduced in movies that don't fit in the timeline, but was in the anime....so did higher dragon meet Gohan off screen anime canon wise or are all the movies canon to the anime of ball Z and tie into GT?

[ekrolo2]

I personally always squeeze in the easier ones like Dead Zone (the anime has a sequel to it so it must have happened in there), Cooler, Bojack and Wrath of the Dragon, the rest are basically alternate universes. Even the Daizenshuu calls Blood Rubies and Mystical Adventure "alternate worlds" so it's best to classify the rest as that too.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I personally always squeeze in the easier ones like Dead Zone (the anime has a sequel to it so it must have happened in there), Cooler, Bojack and Wrath of the Dragon, the rest are basically alternate universes. Even the Daizenshuu calls Blood Rubies and Mystical Adventure "alternate worlds" so it's best to classify the rest as that too.

True, weird how the first cooler movie fits, but the second one doesn't. I mean it would fit in the cell games 7 day weight if it wasn't for gohan not being ssj while dende is guardian. Wrath of the Dragon might work as it's barely inconsistent. Broly kinda works, but just the first one and even then things don't fit correctly. Also feels weird to dismiss something in dragonball just for plot holes. Feels like we'd have to get rid of goku vs cell then.

[Sandubadear]

I personally always squeeze in the easier ones like Dead Zone (the anime has a sequel to it so it must have happened in there), Cooler, Bojack and Wrath of the Dragon, the rest are basically alternate universes. Even the Daizenshuu calls Blood Rubies and Mystical Adventure "alternate worlds" so it's best to classify the rest as that too.

True, weird how the first cooler movie fits, but the second one doesn't. I mean it would fit in the cell games 7 day weight if it wasn't for gohan not being ssj while dende is guardian. Wrath of the Dragon might work as it's barely inconsistent. Broly kinda works, but just the first one and even then things don't fit correctly. Also feels weird to dismiss something in dragonball just for plot holes. Feels like we'd have to get rid of goku vs cell then.

If we dismissed something just because of plot holes, then Dragon Ball would have stopped at the RR arc.

In my headcanon, Dead Zone, Broly 1, Plan to Eradicate, Bojack and Wrath of the Dragon take place in the main continuity.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I personally always squeeze in the easier ones like Dead Zone (the anime has a sequel to it so it must have happened in there), Cooler, Bojack and Wrath of the Dragon, the rest are basically alternate universes. Even the Daizenshuu calls Blood Rubies and Mystical Adventure "alternate worlds" so it's best to classify the rest as that too.

True, weird how the first cooler movie fits, but the second one doesn't. I mean it would fit in the cell games 7 day weight if it wasn't for gohan not being ssj while dende is guardian. Wrath of the Dragon might work as it's barely inconsistent. Broly kinda works, but just the first one and even then things don't fit correctly. Also feels weird to dismiss something in dragonball just for plot holes. Feels like we'd have to get rid of goku vs cell then.

If we dismissed something just because of plot holes, then Dragon Ball would have stopped at the RR arc.

In my headcanon, Dead Zone, Broly 1, Plan to Eradicate, Bojack and Wrath of the Dragon take place in the main continuity.

Cooler 1 fits in with GT,also nothing contradicts the anime in it. Vegeta's in space training.

[Sandubadear]

Cooler 1 fits in with GT,also nothing contradicts the anime in it. Vegeta's in space training.

Yep, that one fits too, but alone, and I usually group Cooler 1 and Cooler 2 in an alternate universe where the Androids were never created.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Cooler 1 fits in with GT,also nothing contradicts the anime in it. Vegeta's in space training.

Yep, that one fits too, but alone, and I usually group Cooler 1 and Cooler 2 in an alternate universe where the Androids were never created.

Cooler 1 is before the androids, and cooler 2 has dende as a guardian which was a result of the androids. It's more like waiting for the cell games and some idiot forgot to make gohan ssj like how dende sometimes loses his size out of nowhere...like in battle of gods.

[nickzambuto]

Can someone explain why The Return of Cooler wouldn't fit? Because people always say it doesn't, but it seems to work fine during the three years training for the Androids. Nobody besides Goku sees Vegeta transform on Planet Namek, meaning they can all still be surprised when he does it against Android 19.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Can someone explain why The Return of Cooler wouldn't fit? Because people always say it doesn't, but it seems to work fine during the three years training for the Androids. Nobody besides Goku sees Vegeta transform on Planet Namek, meaning they can all still be surprised when he does it against Android 19.

It has to be during the 7 day wait for the cell games, because dende is on earth as guardian.

But Gohan is not ssj. If it wasn't for Gohan it'd fit perfectly.

[Darkprince410]

Cooler 1 is before the androids, and cooler 2 has dende as a guardian which was a result of the androids. It's more like waiting for the cell games and some idiot forgot to make gohan ssj like how dende sometimes loses his size out of nowhere...like in battle of gods.

The first Coola movie doesn't work either, as Goku is readily shown not to be able to transform into a Super Saiya-jin at will, even though it's established that he's capable of transforming at will by the time he returns to Earth following the year in space between the Freeza Saga and the beginning of the Cell Saga. In addition, Gohan is shown with the bowl cut hairstyle he stopped wearing by the time Goku returned to Earth (instead sporting the scraggly Yamcha-esque hair style) and a tail, even though he had already reached the power threshold where the tails don't grow anymore.

[DBZAOTA482]

Only Movie 9 and 13 can plausibly happen.

[Bullza]

I see them all except for Dead Zone as happening in the same alternate timeline that GT is a part of

[sintzu]

Dead zone can take place before the beginning of Z.

Cooler's revenge & return of Cooler can take place before the android arc.

Broly's 1st movie can take place before the Cell games.

Bojack unbound can take place right after the Cell games.

Broly's 2nd movie can take place before Goku comes back for the Tenkaichi.

Wrath of the dragon can take place before Super.

Can someone explain why The Return of Cooler wouldn't fit? Because people always say it doesn't, but it seems to work fine during the three years training for the Androids. Nobody besides Goku sees Vegeta transform on Planet Namek, meaning they can all still be surprised when he does it against Android 19.

Because Dende is the guardian of earth but other then that scene at the beginning it fits in fine with everything else.

[Darkprince410]

Broly's 2nd movie can take place before Goku comes back for the Tenkaichi.

Movie 10 doesn't work in any sense either. Regardless of whether Goku was physically there or just in spirit, he saw and acknowledged who Goten was, yet didn't meet or learn who Goten was until after he arrived for the 25th Budoukai. In addition, Videl was completely unaware of what the Dragon Balls were until Bulma and the others gathered them to revive those Vegeta had killed at the Budoukai, yet was actively searching for them with Goten and Trunks at the start of the movie.

[Hellspawn28]

Can someone explain why The Return of Cooler wouldn't fit? Because people always say it doesn't, but it seems to work fine during the three years training for the Androids. Nobody besides Goku sees Vegeta transform on Planet Namek, meaning they can all still be surprised when he does it against Android 19.

Return of Coola can't fit because:

- If the movie is also set before #19 and Dr. Gero show up then how did they know where New Namek is at? Goku had no idea where it was until he visit King Kai later on in the Cell saga.
- If the movie is set before #19 and Dr. Gero show up then how is Dende the god of the Earth?
- If the movie is set before Dr. Gero and #19 show up then why leave Earth if the cyborgs are roaming Earth and causing havoc. They won't leave the Earth in danger so easily.
- If Kami and Piccolo had already merged in this film, so why is Piccolo so weak all of the sudden? He should be as strong as Goku or Vegeta, if not stronger?
- If the movie is set during the 7 days Cell game break then where the hell is Trunks, why Gohan is still the same height as Krillin, why can't Gohan go SSj, why don't Goku and Vegeta go beyond SSj? Also Goku should be in his FPSSj form instead his base form if it's during the 7 day break for the Cell games.

[ZombieVito]

Only Movie 9 and 13 can plausibly happen.

The only way that movie 13 can happen is if Bulma can pull a time machine out of her ass.

There's no reason for her to built one in the main timeline.

[SylentEcho]

One theory, is that Garlic Jr. inadvertently created another timeline when he opened up the Dead Zone and all the movies took place in that timeline. The movies fit together in one timeline pretty well except for Broli's return.

Goku actually went SSJ against Slug and that false SSJ aura, was TOEI guessing what SSJ might have looked like because this was a little before the transformation in the Freeza arc. He also most probably defeated Freeza on Namek and came back to Earth in time to fight Cooler.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Cooler 1 is before the androids, and cooler 2 has dende as a guardian which was a result of the androids. It's more like waiting for the cell games and some idiot forgot to make gohan ssj like how dende sometimes loses his size out of nowhere...like in battle of gods.

The first Coola movie doesn't work either, as Goku is readily shown not to be able to transform into a Super Saiya-jin at will, even though it's established that he's capable of transforming at will by the time he returns to Earth following the year in space between the Freeza Saga and the beginning of the Cell Saga. In addition, Gohan is shown with the bowl cut hairstyle he stopped wearing by the time Goku returned to Earth (instead sporting the scraggly Yamcha-esque hair style) and a tail, even though he had already reached the power threshold where the tails don't grow anymore.

1. Tails don't stop growing, they just get cut off while the characters are off screen. The real world explination is Toriyama forgot about the tails, but in universe it has to be trunks and gotten and the rest simply have em cut off while off screen.

2. Gohan could have cut his hair during 3 years and regrown it out. It's not like his hair styed like that perfectly for 3 years.

3. Goku wasn't shown unable to go ssj. It's just that he didn't. He didn't use kaioken vs cell even though he could. He didn't use the spirit bomb vs beerus or solar flare, doesn't mean he couldn't.

[Hellspawn28]

If Super is set 4 years after Buu then Movie 13 fits fine. So only Movie 9 and 13 fit really. Everything else does not in my opinion.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

If Super is set 4 years after Buu then Movie 13 fits fine. So only Movie 9 and 13 fit really. Everything else does not in my opinion.

I don't think super is anime canon,it contradicts GT. I think Super is only meant to fit in with the manga timeline/canon. It has filler characters but Toriyama DID make Gregory, maybe in his mind Gregory is canon to his manga.