Yea. I dont know how you misunderstood this but...dragon boss z wrote:I agree BoG and RoF aren't apart of the DBS anime, but DBS Broly doesn't seem to be a 100% sequel to the anime either as SSB kaioken and SSBE weren't a thing.AnimeNation101 wrote: Dude. The DBZ B.o.G and R.o.F movies aren't A PART of DBS. All DBS has is the anime, the manga, and the DBS Broly movie.I know what a retcon is, and this isnt' it. The DBS anime is a continuation of the anime, with filler characters like Gregory, so of course the BoG and RoF movie, which were made to be continuations of the manga and had no filler in it aren't apart of the same continuity as the super anime.The argument isn’t over which one is more canon. Yall really need to research what a retcon is. Do that and comprehend this. The DBZ Movie versions of the B.o.G and R.o.F stories were overwritten when the DBS versions, the more RECENT versions of the stories came and had differnt events.
You can't say it'ts retconned because they were never apart of the same continuity to begin with. Just like how the Super manga isn't. Does the Super manga retcon the anime? No, they are just different continuities, same with the movies.Tarble being mentioned or not doesn’t mean shit when it comes to retcons. The DBZ movies were FACTUALLY retconned by DBS. And just like any other thing thats been retconned, its obsolete.
I agree with this, but this isn't the same at all. I don't think the tuffles designing the scouters was ever Toriyama's idea and he probably never considered it canon. But the fact is Toriyama may actually consider the RoF movie more his vision than the anime version which strays from his script, so Toie's adaptation doesn't overwrite or retcon Toriyama's.For example, the Tuffles were originally the ones who created scouters. Toriyama recently retconned this by having Kikono being the one who created them. That means that all this lore with the Tuffles inventing the scouters has been overwritten. It’s obsolete.
You would think, but it seems you don't understand the differnce between a retcon and a different continuity. The super anime IS NOT THE MAIN CANON, if it was it would be a retcon, but the fact there is also a manga that is completely different, that is still going, and is also considered canon, means there isn't one continuity that stands above the rest. The RoF movie is arguably the Super manga versions of the events as well, so if you consider the Super manga the direct continuation of the manga, then maybe BoG was retconned, but RoF would still be the manga versions of the events.Its not that hard to understand.
But I will agree, Beerus was retconned to be stronger, but I could argue he was retconned to be stronger before Super, considering SSG was supposedly 60% of Beerus orginaly, but in RoF Whis said Goku and Vegeta couldn't beat Beerus together even though they had SSB, and Golden Frieza was stronger than SSB and he was afraid of Beerus and Toriyama said no matter how much Frieza trained he couldn't surpass Beerus. So Beerus' power was probalby retconned before Super even came out.
First off, i never said DBS Broly was a continuation of the anime or even the manga.
Second off, dont know where you got this misinfo but the DBS anime AND manga AND this Broly movie are all a part of the main continuity as they’re all works created off of a story created by Toriyama which they all expand upon. Its a joint effort.
And DBZ B.o.G and R.o.F the movies were ALSO a part of the main continuity as they were ALSO both Toriyama stories.
So. When Toriyama writes about events happening, and later, through either an interview, future story, or retelling, those events happen to change/differ, those original events have been “retconned.” The new version of the events overwrites the old.
So. When Toriyama wrote the B.o.G and R.o.F movies which belonged to the main continuity, and later, through DBS, (also in the main continuity) had a more recent version of the stories with events that are different/have been changed from the events of the movies, those original movie events have been “retconned.” Again, the new version of the events overwrites the old.
A previously established event getting overwritten by more recent info whether through an interview or from the actually show.
Dbz b.o.g and r.o.f are the previous established stories that, through Toriyama’s more recent tellings of the stories, have been retconned.