Statements about the Shadow Dragons in GT Perfect Files? States they will destroy the galaxy or universe?

[nickzambuto]

It's so difficult to find information or translations on the second volume of the Perfect Files. Valuable information about the second half of the series seems to be forever inaccessible.

I've heard that the Perfect Files have a statement under the Shadow Dragons description that says they will destroy the galaxy or the universe? Is there proof of this like a translation or a scan? Is there any other statements of their power of this nature? It was mentioned in this thread.

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Is there any way to read the Perfect Files if I don't understand Japanese or any language besides English?

[sunsetshimmer]

I think by galaxy they very often mean entire universe anyway (at least until DBS), even though they are not the same thing.

Even in official GT subs Old Kai said that negative energy will destroy entire galaxy, yet he said that Kaioshin realm will be destroyed as well and it's outside of galaxy.

[nickzambuto]

So basically there's no way to read the Perfect Files?

[Tai Lung]

it is said more galaxy and sometimes universe so there are some doubts although omega could contaminate galaxy in galaxy until eventually reach the kaioshin world.





but in retrospect ... it makes more sense that it is "galaxy" mr popo says that "this happened once before" if it were universe how is it recovered the lfe?

[sunsetshimmer]

but in retrospect ... it makes more sense that it is "galaxy" mr popo says that "this happened once before" if it were universe how is it recovered the lfe?

I checked that scene right now. Popo said that "Evil Dragon" appeared and then cosmos around planet was destroyed, but:
1. He didn't say that dragon released 7 evil dragons back then and we don't know how strong Black Smoke Shenron actually was as he might be pretty weak by himself
2. Even if he did, those were other dragons from other dragon balls and other wishes, including BS Shenron himself. They could be all weaker since DBalls were heavily overused on Earth and only there they forced Shenron to grant more than single wish
3. He didn't say what happened to that "Evil Dragon", he could've been defeated before entire universe or whatever was meant to be destroyed was gone.

So i wouldn't rely too much on what Popo said

[MKCSTEALTH]

The Kai's were also concerned that eventually the Shadow Dragon corruption would reach the Realm of the Kai's. So while I feel the destruction to the galaxy would be immediate, it would threaten the entire mortal universe over time

[Tai Lung]

I checked that scene right now. Popo said that "Evil Dragon" appeared and then cosmos around planet was destroyed, but:

it's a translation error, mr popo says galaxy and note cosmos in the subtitles in Spanish and much many Dubs.

1. He didn't say that dragon released 7 evil dragons back then and we don't know how strong Black Smoke Shenron actually was as he might be pretty weak by himself

ok, it can be

2. Even if he did, those were other dragons from other dragon balls and other wishes, including BS Shenron himself. They could be all weaker since DBalls were heavily overused on Earth and only there they forced Shenron to grant more than single wish

3. He didn't say what happened to that "Evil Dragon", he could've been defeated before entire universe or whatever was meant to be destroyed was gone.

So i wouldn't rely too much on what Popo said

that is debatable due to the lack of context, The Dragon balls may be the same and the limit in energy negative exceeded should have a necessary level for that to happen.

[ankokudaishogun]

the picture says Super Yi-XingLong has 10 times the power of Yi-XinLong, and his power will destroy the galaxy.

I have no way to know how trustworthy the Italian translation might be in first place.

[ruler9871]

So GT characters are galaxy busters. That should be given since most of the show's top tiers are stronger than Buu arc SSJ1 Vegito.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I think, like Janemba, it was just the passive side effect of his existence that was causing reality to become contaminated and start breaking down over time. It's not a type of destructive power that could be channeled into a single attack or something.

[ankokudaishogun]

I can only say the blurb has "He will destroy the galaxy" as a separate sentence from the previous "He possesses an amazing destructive power!"
The galactic destruction can be interpreted both as a consequence of the first sentence OR as a generic statement about the character.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Even so, I would place FP Omega at a low-universal level. It makes sense. The thing is that, Omega should be at the level of a SSJG, based on feats and statements from the two shows.

GT says that Pmega can become a threat to the universe and Super has SSJG Goku becoming that threat in his fight with Beerus. I am not lowballing Omeha here. I am actually giving him the edge.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Even so, I would place FP Omega at a low-universal level. It makes sense. The thing is that, Omega should be at the level of a SSJG, based on feats and statements from the two shows.

GT says that Pmega can become a threat to the universe and Super has SSJG Goku becoming that threat in his fight with Beerus. I am not lowballing Omeha here. I am actually giving him the edge.

I don't like the idea of attempting to powerscale from GT to Super, unless you're including game continuity that mixes them.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Even so, I would place FP Omega at a low-universal level. It makes sense. The thing is that, Omega should be at the level of a SSJG, based on feats and statements from the two shows.

GT says that Pmega can become a threat to the universe and Super has SSJG Goku becoming that threat in his fight with Beerus. I am not lowballing Omeha here. I am actually giving him the edge.

I don't like the idea of attempting to powerscale from GT to Super, unless you're including game continuity that mixes them.

Understandable. I can only think of 1 game which makes this clear. Dragon Ball Z: Extreme Butōden where Goku as a SSJG fights with Omega, circa the BoG arc. Omega powers-up by absorbing minus energy, which places him above his GT Prime. Then he charges an Ultimate Minus Energy Power Ball, which is supposedly superior to the Negative Karma Ball that Gogeta converted into positive energy in GT, however he is defeated by Goku.

In my head (I point this out) I place Omega at 80% of SSJG Goku. Of course it can be different, but ever since we have no official data on the god forms, it is simply assumptions, despite backing our arguments.

[p-hyvo]

So basically there's no way to read the Perfect Files?

Soo,we ha've both of them in italy, but if you don't know italian it's troublesome.
I can anyway translate it to you, but it tells the same things you've posted in the link.
Btw, Japanese tend to use the same word to say world, galaxy and universe. So yeah, galaxy is a viable translation, but omega shenron is at least low universal by stated feats

[p-hyvo]

So GT characters are galaxy busters. That should be given since most of the show's top tiers are stronger than Buu arc SSJ1 Vegito.

Wrong.
Ssj vegetto from z is nothing in gt, via scaling he's outclassed by any transformation of rildo and, by default, every stronger character, and following the dialogues super baby 1>vegetto ssj from z is fact.
I know what you were referring to, that piece of information just compares the boost that both Ssj and potara(Ssj) fusion gives on Goku's base.
It's like to say "if Goku would have went ssj4 against buu, his strength would have been comparable to ssj vegetto's"
Or, ,considering that Goku and vegeta are referred as "the strongest 2 in universe", which in z they aren't, the most accurate interpretation is "if Goku and vegeta were to fuse with potara in baby saga, the power of ssj vegetto would have been maybe higher than ssj4 goku's"
Not any comparison between series, like vegetto from z vs ssj4 from gt, not at all.
And, even if it was the case, the comparison would have been between z vegetto and baby saga ssj4 Goku, so , again, vegetto wouldn't have been comparable to any gt top tier because goku's power grows a lot in gt, he evolves.believing that home's power is constant and never changes through all of gt is just a misconception based on nothing, because the facts demonstrates the opposite thing.

[Grand Marshal 1]

So basically there's no way to read the Perfect Files?

Soo,we ha've both of them in italy, but if you don't know italian it's troublesome.
I can anyway translate it to you, but it tells the same things you've posted in the link.
Btw, Japanese tend to use the same word to say world, galaxy and universe. So yeah, galaxy is a viable translation, but omega shenron is at least low universal by stated feats

I agree. Omega is low-universal. Now if that is his minimum or maximum is up to debate, but he isn't just galaxy level for sure.

Speaking of the Shadow Dragons, how much stronger do you think that their Xeno variants are? Should we treat them as powered-up forms, or as entirely different characters?

Because, apparently they, too, can further use their Super forms on top of what power they already possess.

[p-hyvo]

So basically there's no way to read the Perfect Files?

Soo,we ha've both of them in italy, but if you don't know italian it's troublesome.
I can anyway translate it to you, but it tells the same things you've posted in the link.
Btw, Japanese tend to use the same word to say world, galaxy and universe. So yeah, galaxy is a viable translation, but omega shenron is at least low universal by stated feats

I agree. Omega is low-universal. Now if that is his minimum or maximum is up to debate, but he isn't just galaxy level for sure.

Speaking of the Shadow Dragons, how much stronger do you think that their Xeno variants are? Should we treat them as powered-up forms, or as entirely different characters?

Because, apparently they, too, can further use their Super forms on top of what power they already possess.

Well, considering xeno goku's history they would be much, much stronger if the facts in the xeno timeline had played exactly like in the normal one.

[ruler9871]

So basically there's no way to read the Perfect Files?

Soo,we ha've both of them in italy, but if you don't know italian it's troublesome.
I can anyway translate it to you, but it tells the same things you've posted in the link.
Btw, Japanese tend to use the same word to say world, galaxy and universe. So yeah, galaxy is a viable translation, but omega shenron is at least low universal by stated feats

I agree. Omega is low-universal. Now if that is his minimum or maximum is up to debate, but he isn't just galaxy level for sure.

Speaking of the Shadow Dragons, how much stronger do you think that their Xeno variants are? Should we treat them as powered-up forms, or as entirely different characters?

Because, apparently they, too, can further use their Super forms on top of what power they already possess.

Omega was stated to only be able to destroy the Universe through chain-reaction (like Buuhan). Neither he nor even GT Gogeta were stated nor implied to be able to one-shot a Universe, like how BoG Goku & Suppressed Beerus could in their clash.

[Nokra]

Soo,we ha've both of them in italy, but if you don't know italian it's troublesome.
I can anyway translate it to you, but it tells the same things you've posted in the link.
Btw, Japanese tend to use the same word to say world, galaxy and universe. So yeah, galaxy is a viable translation, but omega shenron is at least low universal by stated feats

I agree. Omega is low-universal. Now if that is his minimum or maximum is up to debate, but he isn't just galaxy level for sure.

Speaking of the Shadow Dragons, how much stronger do you think that their Xeno variants are? Should we treat them as powered-up forms, or as entirely different characters?

Because, apparently they, too, can further use their Super forms on top of what power they already possess.

Omega was stated to only be able to destroy the Universe through chain-reaction (like Buuhan). Neither he nor even GT Gogeta were stated nor implied to be able to one-shot a Universe, like how BoG Goku & Suppressed Beerus could in their clash.

goku nor beerus "one shotted" the universe when they fought. what do you mean?