What Can Or Might Be Vegeta's Next Transformation?

[theherodjl]

Vegeta decided to stick with the SSJG lineage rather than strive for UI like Goku did so where could he go from there? SSJBE was interesting but its not a fundementally different transformation from SSJB, it just has more emphasized blue-shading and the general increase in power that form-upgrades bring. What can really shake things up? Maybe SSJ Purple to signify that Vegeta has mixed the fiery appearance of SSJG with the more ambient glow of SSJB? Or how about bigger/longer hair making reference to the original SSJ lineage?
What do you want to see or what you think may be seen in the future?

[sintzu]

Both the manga and anime hinted at Vegeta doing his own thing which will be great if that's what Toriyama wants to do. If I remember correctly, during the fight with Kid Buu, Vegeta called Ssj3 useless because it was unreliable which resulted in him never using it, despite being able to. UI is even less reliable so Vegeta may decide to find a power that doesn't rely on pure luck which will differentiate him from Goku.

One thing he could do is try to find a way to reach Broly's Ozaru state and maybe reach Ssj4 from there.

[Zephyr]

Retiring and becoming a full-time father.

[Tectorman]

Both the manga and anime hinted at Vegeta doing his own thing which will be great if that's what Toriyama wants to do. If I remember correctly, during the fight with Kid Buu, Vegeta called Ssj3 useless because it was unreliable which resulted in him never using it, despite being able to. UI is even less reliable so Vegeta may decide to find a power that doesn't rely on pure luck which will differentiate him from Goku.

One thing he could do is try to find a way to reach Broly's Ozaru state and maybe reach Ssj4 from there.

It'd be a decent way to have the two differentiate based on their origins. Vegeta, always proud of his Saiyan heritage, achieves a transformation directly referencing it, while Goku pushes his mastery of UI, a form he was inspired to achieve thanks to Master Roshi's last teachings.

*begins popping popcorn*

[sintzu]

Retiring and becoming a full-time father.

He can do that once DB is over.

[Zephyr]

Retiring and becoming a full-time father.

He can do that once DB is over.

He can. He can also do that before it is over.

[ruler9871]

Retiring and becoming a full-time father.

Why would he? That's out of character even for GT Vegeta.

It's almost as stupid as saying Goku should retire from combat.

[ruler9871]

Vegeta decided to stick with the SSJG lineage rather than strive for UI like Goku did so where could he go from there? SSJBE was interesting but its not a fundementally different transformation from SSJB, it just has more emphasized blue-shading and the general increase in power that form-upgrades bring. What can really shake things up? Maybe SSJ Purple to signify that Vegeta has mixed the fiery appearance of SSJG with the more ambient glow of SSJB? Or how about bigger/longer hair making reference to the original SSJ lineage?
What do you want to see or what you think may be seen in the future?

Probably another variation of the SSJ transformations, since Vegeta explicitly wants to grow as a Saiyan, whereas Goku wants to grow generally as a martial artist.

It was a good idea to have Vegeta get his own thing rather than chase UI after Goku.

[Lionel]

How about finding a way to incorporate the power of Super Saiyan 2 and Oozaru into blue? Perhaps through that means he could start to become competitive against Goku at his strongest once again. With that said, a gap should still exist between them in the sense of mentality and skill. At equal levels, Goku should still have the advantage. Vegeta might have obtained equatable power but couldn't it be said that he neglected his technical ability in the process?

[PFM18]

Retiring and becoming a full-time father.

He can do that once DB is over.

He can. He can also do that before it is over.

But why?

[Zephyr]

Retiring and becoming a full-time father.

Why would he? That's out of character even for GT Vegeta.

It's almost as stupid as saying Goku should retire from combat.

Why wouldn't he? How's that out of character for GT Vegeta?

How is that as stupid as Goku retiring from combat? Goku outlasts all of his peers by the end of the story. Vegeta largely retiring would be one more step on the way to that foregone conclusion.

He can do that once DB is over.

He can. He can also do that before it is over.

But why?

He's already showing early warning signs. Willing to miss a fun tournament to see his daughter's birth, giving up on someone's teachings because he's too stubborn. Goku wouldn't do either of those things.

He can and might follow Gohan and Kurilin into family-focused retirement, where they all stay in shape, obviously, but they're not in the Big Fight anymore.

[sintzu]

He can and might follow Gohan and Kurilin into family-focused retirement, where they all stay in shape, obviously, but they're not in the Big Fight anymore.

Why would you want a show just focused on Goku ? If anything more of the Z fighters should be involved with the big fights.

[Zephyr]

He can and might follow Gohan and Kurilin into family-focused retirement, where they all stay in shape, obviously, but they're not in the Big Fight anymore.

Why would you want a show just focused on Goku ? If anything more of the Z fighters should be involved with the big fights.

Why would Vegeta retiring mean Goku's the only character left to focus on? Beers, Freeza, Geran, Broli, and Oob are still in the equation.

[theherodjl]

How about finding a way to incorporate the power of Super Saiyan 2 and Oozaru into blue? Perhaps through that means he could start to become competitive against Goku at his strongest once again. With that said, a gap should still exist between them in the sense of mentality and skill. At equal levels, Goku should still have the advantage. Vegeta might have obtained equatable power but couldn't it be said that he neglected his technical ability in the process?

I'm keen on the idea that Vegeta will eventually pull ahead of Goku in raw power, not being as technical but having the strength & speed advantage enough to stalemate Goku's comparatively skill-based style. That's quite fine though since that has always been the way Vegeta has gone about it, he simply wants to be the strongest Saiyan & strongest fighter in the universe. It has never mattered to Vegeta on how much he hones his ability when he can just have ever-growing physical stats which is a logical goal with how DB's rule of "stronger fighter = winner" works.

[ZeroNeonix]

Vegeta's been Blue. Next he'll be Cyan. Get it? Super Cyan?

[PFM18]

He's already showing early warning signs. Willing to miss a fun tournament to see his daughter's birth, giving up on someone's teachings because he's too stubborn. Goku wouldn't do either of those things.

When did he give up on someone's teachings out of stubbornness?

[emperior]

I wonder about this too. I was thinking that maybe Vegeta will actually just grow his Super Saiyan Blue form stronger to reach the level of power Goku achieves through UI? But then, that would make no sense because one would expect Goku’s Blue form to keep up and Vegeta has already achieved an higher form than normal Blue.

I don’t think he will be able to achieve the same Oozaru power Broly used, as that will probably stay an exclusive Broly trait, so what can Vegeta do? I think he will keep on improving his God transformations: maybe he could achieve some sort of Super Saiyan 2 Blue, if that’s possible which I doubt it is.

If I had to come up with an exclusive power-up for Vegeta different than Goku’s, I would introduce a new, hidden Saiyan form that the Saiyan ancestors had access to and which was carried through the Vegeta family’s royale bloodline: it would be a more noble type of power compared to Broly’s more primal one, and fitting of the Saiyan prince.

Maybe some sort of “Ultra” power that enhances the senses to the extreme to the point one can accurately analyse the opponent’s fighting style, their patterns, their true power (even if concealed), their techniques etcetera and come up in with an accurate, near infallible battle plan within milliseconds. Call it hyper/ultra thinking or whatever, to tie-in with Whis’ comments of Vegeta always thinking too much (Goku being too careless lead him towards Ultra Instinct, after all).

[Zephyr]

He's already showing early warning signs. Willing to miss a fun tournament to see his daughter's birth, giving up on someone's teachings because he's too stubborn. Goku wouldn't do either of those things.

When did he give up on someone's teachings out of stubbornness?

"Forget Ultra Instinct, I'm gonna go my own way instead!"

[ruler9871]

How is that as stupid as Goku retiring from combat? Goku outlasts all of his peers by the end of the story. Vegeta largely retiring would be one more step on the way to that foregone conclusion.

He's already showing early warning signs. Willing to miss a fun tournament to see his daughter's birth, giving up on someone's teachings because he's too stubborn. Goku wouldn't do either of those things.

He can and might follow Gohan and Kurilin into family-focused retirement, where they all stay in shape, obviously, but they're not in the Big Fight anymore.

1. Goku wasn't the strongest guy at the end of the original manga, nor was he anywhere near the strongest at the end of Super. And the only reason he's the best at the end of GT is because everyone else died of old age.

Neither Toriyama nor Toei is nearly as insistent on Goku being number 1 as you make it sound. Remember, this is the same author who initially wanted to retire Goku after the Cell Games.

2. What warning signs? He only initially turned down the ToP because:

A) He wanted to wait until Bulla was born.
B) He wasn't aware of the real stakes at first.

Him refusing someone else's teachings/advice in the manga version (this never happens in the anime) has nothing to do with wanting to retire either. He had the same issue in the original manga, being to egotistical to accept the aid of others.

3. Vegeta is not Gohan nor Krillin, he's fundamentally different from both of those characters. Even in GT, he never wants to sit out of the main conflict even if he's outmatched. So yes, its very stupid.

And Gohan & Krillin didn't stay in shape after the Buu arc. They stopped training all together, lose much of their power and even much of their muscle mass.

[ruler9871]

He's already showing early warning signs. Willing to miss a fun tournament to see his daughter's birth, giving up on someone's teachings because he's too stubborn. Goku wouldn't do either of those things.

When did he give up on someone's teachings out of stubbornness?

"Forget Ultra Instinct, I'm gonna go my own way instead!"

Wanting to power-up in your own way that works for you =/= wanting to retire, so you make made a fallacy.