Vegeta's Assist in the defeat of Cell Manga vs Anime
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Vegeta's Assist in the defeat of Cell Manga vs Anime
I've always felt that Vegeta's assist in the defeat of Cell was more meaningful in the Manga since he is the only one who steps in to help Gohan, while in the anime the other Z Senshi try and fail.
Vegeta being the only one to try to help is a huge turning point for his character and is when I feel like he officially went from being a villain to a hero.
How do you guys feel about the two different versions of this scene?
Vegeta being the only one to try to help is a huge turning point for his character and is when I feel like he officially went from being a villain to a hero.
How do you guys feel about the two different versions of this scene?
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I don't think it reflects much differently for characterisation. Either only Vegeta was strong enough or the others just didn't have time, Vegeta was much nearer to them both than the others were.omegacwa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:22 am I've always felt that Vegeta's assist in the defeat of Cell was more meaningful in the Manga since he is the only one who steps in to help Gohan, while in the anime the other Z Senshi try and fail.
Vegeta being the only one to try to help is a huge turning point for his character and is when I feel like he officially went from being a villain to a hero.
How do you guys feel about the two different versions of this scene?
If anything the anime makes Vegeta look worse as he holds out for ages before helping and the others look weak for so no reason because all of them combined with multiple attacks can't do more than one attack from wounded, possibly base, Vegeta.
Mangas just better always IMO.
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Re: Vegeta's Assist in the defeat of Cell Manga vs Anime
Anime completely ruined entire scene. In manga Vegeta was the only one to help and it made sense for Piccolo to say that he did a brave thing. In anime not only it didn't make any sense but also they made Vegeta look like a coward since he was the ONLY one who didn't help until the very end.
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Re: Vegeta's Assist in the defeat of Cell Manga vs Anime
It was better in the anime because they gave relevance to the the other characters, even though their attacks did nothing to Cell the whole scene was more epic and dramatic than the Manga.
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I think this kind of writing is what lead to Vegeta being scared and weak in movie 8 (one of the things I hate about that movie).sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:01 pm Anime completely ruined entire scene. In manga Vegeta was the only one to help and it made sense for Piccolo to say that he did a brave thing. In anime not only it didn't make any sense but also they made Vegeta look like a coward since he was the ONLY one who didn't help until the very end.
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The anime version saw a great opportunity and took it, it just chose to go about it in a way that undermined Vegeta. The manga's version is simple by compare but is both an actual surprise- last we saw Vegeta he was on the ground and had seemingly given up- and some actual comeuppance for Vegeta after his repeatedly failing since axing #19. But in getting the other characters back into the fight, Vegeta's not doing so suddenly sticks out, and since we know Vegeta wanted to attack Cell and isn't just being his movie party-pooper self, it is some of the worst hand wringing he's ever done.
Sounds like the same thought process, yeah.
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Not only does the anime version undermine Vegeta's assist completely (which also undermines his arc,) it just drags the end of the fight way too much. I don't need to see the supporting cast contribute and I certainly don't need to hear their thoughts on Goku & Gohan.
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I absolutely loved the Earthlings trying to aid Gohan is his beam struggle against Cell. They know they can't make a difference, but that doesn't defer them from wanting to make difference. The additional internal dialogue of how Gohan and/or Goku inspired them as martial artists, is just the cherry on top of the cake. Just brings wonderful and wholesome personal closure for some of the supporting cast while also elevating the desperate scenario everyone was facing against Cell, which in turn, makes Vegeta's intervention all the more impactful.
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the anime scene does a little less for vegeta's character, but it really does a lot more the earthlings, and seeing as they all more or less retired as fighting characters in the boo arc, it's a pretty decent last hurrah for them (even if they don't do anything in the grand scheme of things, it feels very meaningful), and seeing their thoughts and thanks to goku and gohan during it adds a lot of emotion too the beam struggle, as long as to the characters and really the arc itself. and i don't think it hurts vegeta's character that much, it just does a little less for him, but in terms of emotion and drama and all that stuff, i think the anime version improved on it quite a bit.
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This is exactlyy how I feel as well.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:55 pm I absolutely loved the Earthlings trying to aid Gohan is his beam struggle against Cell. They know they can't make a difference, but that doesn't defer them from wanting to make difference. The additional internal dialogue of how Gohan and/or Goku inspired them as martial artists, is just the cherry on top of the cake. Just brings wonderful and wholesome personal closure for some of the supporting cast while also elevating the desperate scenario everyone was facing against Cell, which in turn, makes Vegeta's intervention all the more impactful.
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Vegeta was Super Saiyan in the anime.TobyS wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:01 amI don't think it reflects much differently for characterisation. Either only Vegeta was strong enough or the others just didn't have time, Vegeta was much nearer to them both than the others were.omegacwa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:22 am I've always felt that Vegeta's assist in the defeat of Cell was more meaningful in the Manga since he is the only one who steps in to help Gohan, while in the anime the other Z Senshi try and fail.
Vegeta being the only one to try to help is a huge turning point for his character and is when I feel like he officially went from being a villain to a hero.
How do you guys feel about the two different versions of this scene?
If anything the anime makes Vegeta look worse as he holds out for ages before helping and the others look weak for so no reason because all of them combined with multiple attacks can't do more than one attack from wounded, possibly base, Vegeta.
Mangas just better always IMO.
Anyways, I like the anime version more. I understand it kinda undermines Vegeta's contribution but it's much more in-character for the rest of the Z-Warriors to help Gohan out despite the odds than to just stand around and do nothing.
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