effect of old kai unlock potential on other races?

[Nodeo-Franvier]

In Gohan case it seem that Old kai unlock potential also automatically bring out the power of SSJ and SSJ2 but do you think it would work on races with physical transformation such as Freeza's and Zarbon's also would those with no transformation like Dabura and the Ginyu force also gain similar degree of power?

[Polyphase Avatron]

It didn't give Gohan any new SSJ forms, but a very powerful base form.

So maybe it would give Freeza the power of Golden form in his 4th form? Or something.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Since it removed the need for Gohan to go Super Saiyan, I could see the same effect applying to transforming types like Freeza and Zarbon. Zarbon would be able to access the power within his monster form and much more without needing to transform. Freeza said he was going to train to bring out his dormant power in RoF, so the ritual would give him access to that and more as well.

[Lionel]

Most certainly. It seems to coalesce all of a fighter's strength and potential into a single usable outlet in their original state. What I would ask is how it interprets a transformation like Puar or Oolong's. Those don't increase strength but merely change the appearance and functionalism of the user. How would the unlock work for those two?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Most certainly. It seems to coalesce all of a fighter's strength and potential into a single usable outlet in their original state. What I would ask is how it interprets a transformation like Puar or Oolong's. Those don't increase strength but merely change the appearance and functionalism of the user. How would the unlock work for those two?

How much potential do they have in the first place?

[Lionel]

Most certainly. It seems to coalesce all of a fighter's strength and potential into a single usable outlet in their original state. What I would ask is how it interprets a transformation like Puar or Oolong's. Those don't increase strength but merely change the appearance and functionalism of the user. How would the unlock work for those two?

How much potential do they have in the first place?

Enough to accelerate at impressive speeds in the form of a rocket that required Goku's Nimbus iirc.

I think in terms of strength they could maybe surpass the unremarkable tournament grunts from the preliminaries and perhaps even Ran Fan. Giran or Nam seem excessive as while Elder Kaioshin's ability does raise the user's power far beyond its limits, you're looking at a gap that's probably somewhere in the dozens range, conservatively speaking, which two non-combatant characters are having to bridge.

To be fair, Dende had his potential unlocked by the Grand Elder and we saw him afterwards soaring across the circumference of Namek within hours or so. I think before it took Krillin and Dende days to make it to the Grand Elder's.

[Kakkaroto735]

Most certainly. It seems to coalesce all of a fighter's strength and potential into a single usable outlet in their original state. What I would ask is how it interprets a transformation like Puar or Oolong's. Those don't increase strength but merely change the appearance and functionalism of the user. How would the unlock work for those two?

How much potential do they have in the first place?

Enough to accelerate at impressive speeds in the form of a rocket that required Goku's Nimbus iirc.

I think in terms of strength they could maybe surpass the unremarkable tournament grunts from the preliminaries and perhaps even Ran Fan. Giran or Nam seem excessive as while Elder Kaioshin's ability does raise the user's power far beyond its limits, you're looking at a gap that's probably somewhere in the dozens range, conservatively speaking, which two non-combatant characters are having to bridge.

To be fair, Dende had his potential unlocked by the Grand Elder and we saw him afterwards soaring across the circumference of Namek within hours or so. I think before it took Krillin and Dende days to make it to the Grand Elder's.

I think they could beat Nam.

[Lionel]

How much potential do they have in the first place?

Enough to accelerate at impressive speeds in the form of a rocket that required Goku's Nimbus iirc.

I think in terms of strength they could maybe surpass the unremarkable tournament grunts from the preliminaries and perhaps even Ran Fan. Giran or Nam seem excessive as while Elder Kaioshin's ability does raise the user's power far beyond its limits, you're looking at a gap that's probably somewhere in the dozens range, conservatively speaking, which two non-combatant characters are having to bridge.

To be fair, Dende had his potential unlocked by the Grand Elder and we saw him afterwards soaring across the circumference of Namek within hours or so. I think before it took Krillin and Dende days to make it to the Grand Elder's.

I think they could beat Nam.

Sounds generous but I don't think it's inconceivable.

I wonder if other fans would find it crazy if I suggested that Dende could have surpassed the likes of Nappa and Saiyan arc Goku in terms of power level after having his potential unlocked.

[Kakkaroto735]

Enough to accelerate at impressive speeds in the form of a rocket that required Goku's Nimbus iirc.

I think in terms of strength they could maybe surpass the unremarkable tournament grunts from the preliminaries and perhaps even Ran Fan. Giran or Nam seem excessive as while Elder Kaioshin's ability does raise the user's power far beyond its limits, you're looking at a gap that's probably somewhere in the dozens range, conservatively speaking, which two non-combatant characters are having to bridge.

To be fair, Dende had his potential unlocked by the Grand Elder and we saw him afterwards soaring across the circumference of Namek within hours or so. I think before it took Krillin and Dende days to make it to the Grand Elder's.

I think they could beat Nam.

Sounds generous but I don't think it's inconceivable.

I wonder if other fans would find it crazy if I suggested that Dende could have surpassed the likes of Nappa and Saiyan arc Goku in terms of power level after having his potential unlocked.

That doesn't seem crazy. Gohan went from as Perfect Cell to Buu level. His base form was weaker than Base Goku or Vegeta but his Mystic base was stronger than SSJ3. If we treat potential unlock as just a boost on base, it would have a higher boost than SS3. SSJ3 is 400x and if it was exactly that much for Gohan, it would keep him below Super Buu. Piccolo Daimao is given a PL of 260 in the Daizenshuu. Kami is stronger than this. Dende is even stronger! But lets use 260 as a lowball. 260 x 400 = 104,000. This would put Lowball Mystic Dende as stronger than Goku when he arrived on Namek. That should give yo an idea of how broken Elder Kai unlock is.

[Nodeo-Franvier]

I think they could beat Nam.

Sounds generous but I don't think it's inconceivable.

I wonder if other fans would find it crazy if I suggested that Dende could have surpassed the likes of Nappa and Saiyan arc Goku in terms of power level after having his potential unlocked.

That doesn't seem crazy. Gohan went from as Perfect Cell to Buu level. His base form was weaker than Base Goku or Vegeta but his Mystic base was stronger than SSJ3. If we treat potential unlock as just a boost on base, it would have a higher boost than SS3. SSJ3 is 400x and if it was exactly that much for Gohan, it would keep him below Super Buu. Piccolo Daimao is given a PL of 260 in the Daizenshuu. Kami is stronger than this. Dende is even stronger! But lets use 260 as a lowball. 260 x 400 = 104,000. This would put Lowball Mystic Dende as stronger than Goku when he arrived on Namek. That should give yo an idea of how broken Elder Kai unlock is.

Ultimate Gohan was only that strong because of Gohan enormous potential, for other people and especially non-combatants like Dende it would have been different.
On the other hand i think the Ginyu force bar Guldo would have received a massive increase.

Ps. By the time Gohan received old Kai potential unlock he probably have surpassed main Vegeta thanks to his Z-sword training.

[Kakkaroto735]

Sounds generous but I don't think it's inconceivable.

I wonder if other fans would find it crazy if I suggested that Dende could have surpassed the likes of Nappa and Saiyan arc Goku in terms of power level after having his potential unlocked.

That doesn't seem crazy. Gohan went from as Perfect Cell to Buu level. His base form was weaker than Base Goku or Vegeta but his Mystic base was stronger than SSJ3. If we treat potential unlock as just a boost on base, it would have a higher boost than SS3. SSJ3 is 400x and if it was exactly that much for Gohan, it would keep him below Super Buu. Piccolo Daimao is given a PL of 260 in the Daizenshuu. Kami is stronger than this. Dende is even stronger! But lets use 260 as a lowball. 260 x 400 = 104,000. This would put Lowball Mystic Dende as stronger than Goku when he arrived on Namek. That should give yo an idea of how broken Elder Kai unlock is.

Ultimate Gohan was only that strong because of Gohan enormous potential, for other people and especially non-combatants like Dende it would have been different.
On the other hand i think the Ginyu force bar Guldo would have received a massive increase.

Ps. By the time Gohan received old Kai potential unlock he probably have surpassed main Vegeta thanks to his Z-sword training.

Still, Dende would still be crazy strong.