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Post by Kunzait_83 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:03 pm

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Post by Rocketman » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:23 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
JulieYBM wrote: Ten is not a Saiyan. :wink:
That, plus Ten is all about the dangerous, self damaging moves (Kikoho, Mafuba, etc.). A "Shin" Kaioken of some sort would’ve been a perfect fit for him.
No, no, I meant like this response in an earlier thread about this kind of subject:
Rocketman wrote: Tenshinhan: Alright guys, I'm gonna fight #19 with a dangerous technique that will strain my body to its limits quickly and possibly kill me!

Vegeta: You can do that, or I could go Super, and be able to fight harder for longer with no risk to my body.

Tenshinhan: No, wait! I'll stand in one place for a long-ass time and summon an energy ball to throw at them!

Vegeta: Great! Then after they absorb it, I can kill you without complaints from anyone else! Fuck off. *goes Super, whoops ass*

Tenshinhan: *emo*
So yeah...

Personally, I would’ve had Bulma leaving him for Vegeta enrage Yamucha into take his training more seriously than ever and spur him to willpower his way through gravity training and get stronger that way. Plus I would’ve had him and Ten know the Kaioken from Kaio's training in the afterlife, so that would’ve helped out as well.

Apart from giving Yamucha a better edge and a better reason to be a factor in Cell saga fights, there’s also the matter of him and Vegeta having increasing tension built between them… I wouldn’t have minded seeing it pay off either as a fight of some sort, or even simply as more character interaction of some sort.
1. Bulma doesn't leave him for Vegeta for the entire Cell Saga. She doesn't even know where Vegeta is when they all meet up to fight the Androids, and Vegeta famously doesn't give a shit about her or baby Trunks.

2. A fight? What fight? Vegeta outclasses everybody but Goku until Piccolo fuses with Kami. A fight between Vegeta and Yamcha would be like Vegeta vs Appule.

3. The narration box in volume 7, page 82 says "At 100Gs, a human's body would be instantly crushed." I take that to mean even Yamcha and the like. The human body simply cannot take that much force. That's why the humans never go in for gravity training above what they get on King Kai's, and that's why they drop out.
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Post by Forgotten Hero » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:49 pm

I still have my one character! 8)

Yamcha is a totally forgotten hero! He never got his bargain of the deal. Tien got to blast down Cell with the Kikoho, and Kuririn shouldered into Cell during some filler.
Poor Yamcha! :x
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Post by omegacwa » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:23 pm

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omegacwa wrote:I honestly would have liked to see Tenshinhan and Krillin somehow unlock some kind of "super human" gimmick, just so they could have still been important at the end.
They were already super human. :P
Well, yeah, but Goku and Vegeta were far stronger than any other Saiyan ever before they Transformed too.

I don't mean a transformation like having golden hair or anything, but maybe some kind of technique, similar to transforming, that the humans could use to be "cool" again. Hell Toriyama came up with the whole fusion thing for Piccolo, why couldn't the humans get something. I think it would have been really cool if Tenshinhan did this technique/transformation, and took on Semi Perfect Cell hand to hand or something.
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Post by Drunken Master » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:01 pm

Forgotten Hero wrote:I still have my one character! 8)

Yamcha is a totally forgotten hero! He never got his bargain of the deal. Tenshinhan got to blast down Cell with the Kikoho, and Kuririn shouldered into Cell during some filler.
Poor Yamcha! :x
Man, in Buu filler, Yamcha easily beat that Fabio look-alike and some other fighter at the same time. You know, that guy that gave Pikkon some trouble? Elibu, Ulibo, whatever his name is. After that, Krillin says something along the lines of "On Earth you couldn't do anything to get him to train, but up here he's a superstar. *sigh*" Hehe, he got his filler moments. Tenshinhan isn't really forgotten, he does save the day a couple of times in the manga, I mean like...complete saves that actually, in turn, saved the Earth.

Yaj would be my pick. He's strong, apparently stronger than Tenshinhan after the 22nd Budokai. He fought equally with Goku, easily killed Cymbal, ate him, took a sip from that water that's suppose to kill you and didn't die, brings senzu to the gang, almost kills Vegeta, survives a beating from Vegeta, and survives getting blown up by the androids.

Is he...Immortal?!
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Post by Forgotten Hero » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:26 pm

Yes! jk :lol:

Yajirobe is good pick too!
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Post by caejones » Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:01 am

Since in the Buu saga noone could find Ten until he showed up of his own acord... Yamcha should have fused with Yajirobe. XD
Of course, I'm almost certain had Toriyama made that happen, Yajicha would wind up being big and awkward and basically an SSJ-level Ox-king who goofs around for thirty minutes...
(Though really, blending Yamcha's and Yajirobe's talents seems like it'd result in some badass techniques. ...)
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